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Mirror Mirror on the Wall (static.existentialcomics.com)
submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by PieMePlenty@lemmy.world to c/comicstrips@lemmy.world
 

Source: Existential Comics #667

Transcription:

Evil Queen: Mirror mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?
Mirror: Snow White.

Evil Queen: Hmmm ...

Evil Queen: Mirror mirror on the wall, does that mean there is an objective standard of beauty?
Mirror: Uhh ... yeah sure ...

Evil Queen: So how did you determine your answer? What is the objective standard that you used to determine this?
Mirror: Oh you know, she is just the woman most people would think is most beautiful.
Evil Queen: What? But that's not objective!

Evil Queen: If that were true I don't even have to kill Snow White, I just have to kill enough people who have the hots for her to tip the scales for me.

Mirror: Okay fine, then it is her pale skin.
Evil Queen: That's it, pale skin?
Mirror: Yeah paler the skin, the more beautiful the girl.

Evil Queen: You know ... that almost sounds a little racist, mirror on the wall.

Mirror: And another thing, there are too many immigrants ...

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[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I just have to kill enough people who have hots for her

Well that's one way of doing it.

[–] owl@infosec.pub 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Seeing a woman kill a bunch of people may however be a turn off for some of the survivers.

[–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

Not if they have hots for a 14yr old

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

That's why competent ruler runs a well oiled propaganda machine along with atrocities.

George Carlin: "question everything."

~(぀ˆ0Λ†)γ€ο½‘β˜†

[–] QueenHawlSera@piefed.social 22 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Snow White is like 12, why are we listening to a pedophile mirror?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

It's going to sound so wrong, but back when Snow White was first written, it was during the time when child marriage was acceptable and there is no middle stage known as teenagerhood (it's a very recent concept in human history). As soon as you could work, you would be considered an adult even if you are 12. If anyone has read the book or seen the movie The Master and Commander (which is set during the Napoleonic Wars, same time as when Snow White was published), there are naval cadets who are like 12 and 15 years old, and the much older ablehands refer to them as "sir". That is a historically accurate depiction.

I'm not making excuse by the way, but it explains a lot as to why older stories have very weird portrayal of underage characters because it reflected the social norms at the time. Many fairy tales in their original forms are very brutal and no-holds barred because people back then grow up way too fast as expected by society. And the gruesome reality of living, without the modernity we take for granted today, had to be faced by most folks in the past. Child mortality rate was high after all.

[–] creamfresh@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

(it’s a very recent concept in human history)

Doesn't keep modern adults from touching Julias bronze tits in Verona.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 1 points 12 hours ago

It's s maga mirror

Mirrors are giant assholes

[–] cosmos8188@leminal.space 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

It would be 7 in the original, also fairest could mean a lot of things.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 minutes ago

My new interpretation is that the mirror is saying snow white is the most impartial.

Considering she's an evil queen, assassinating an impartial child judge still fits with the story.

[–] frog@feddit.uk 87 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I wanted to post another Snow White comic here but I can't find it.

It goes like this:

Queen: Who is the fairest one of all?

Mirror: Snow White

Queen: Isn't she like 14?!

Next panel shows the Mirror behind bars.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think it was Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal...?

[–] Crewman@sopuli.xyz 78 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

How old is the magic mirror, though?

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 6 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

It looks like a 3 year old mirror but it actually contains a soul many thousands of years old. Who's the pedo now huh?

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago

I was being generous, she prob gets a new magic mirror every 4 months, she is a queen after all.

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[–] frog@feddit.uk 1 points 13 hours ago

Thank you. I would be thinking about this for a while if it wasn't for your reply. Lol.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 6 points 16 hours ago

We need measurable quantities to be able to compare them. How many ships have their face launched?

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 20 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Doesn’t fair mean light skinned?

[–] wieson@feddit.org 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

No, her skin hungers for justice

[–] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (5 children)

Yeah, the Queen asked who is pale as fuck, mirror responds with . The Queen then decides that means is most beautiful and moves the goal post. I'd probably start being a snarky ass mirror by panel 4 as well.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The earlier meaning of fair is beautiful. Before that there was already a meaning of "suitable". The "light" meaning grew out of the "beautiful" due to prevailing beauty standards.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Right but,

Of the main modern senses of the word, that of "light of complexion or color of hair and eyes, not dusky or sallow" (of persons) is from c. 1200

Source

So by the time the story was written in 1812 wouldn’t fair have just meant light skinned? Is this just bad translation from the German?

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 14 hours ago

Although it's archaic now, I think this meaning of fair is still understood today. The original German word was "schΓΆnste" which unambiguously means "most beautiful" so I don't think it's likely any translator would have had trouble with it. My guess is it was even more common back then.

If I were to speculate, the translator will have wanted to give a good poetic meter of this line (which is in verse) and "most beautiful" would bugger everything up. The modern English version scans the historic German one, so if this is true, it's not down to a desire to get the perfect accurate translation...

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What is easier, killing one little girl, or killing thousands who have the hots for her?

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The little girl is royalty. The thousands are peasants. Different scales.

You kill one member of royalty and everyone thinks you’re a monster.

Kill several thousand peasants and no bats an eye.

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She's a queen, she can easily order both things.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Except she did order someone to kill Snow White and it didn't work. Hence the whole hag-and-apple routine.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

You wouldn't expect it, but apparently the latter.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'd actually love to hear a twist on the story where the mirror is the baddie. Maybe it's an imprisoned demon who convinces the Queen that Snow will brutally overthrow her. Having little sides that show it also is a racist to emphasize that it's evil and biased would be fun

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not entirely true it was only the white skin, she also had black hair and very red lips.
I've always seen it as her uniqueness that was considered attractive, not particularly her skin.

Black hair is not a typical trait of people who have very white skin, I guess you could have a similar story about a dark skinned woman with fair hair.
But that would not be an image the Brothers Grimm readers would as easily imagine in their heads, and would be more likely for a story written somewhere where that would be more likely and identifiable.

Aren't there African stories that have beauty standards about being as black as a black stone?

[–] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The Queen is also not asking the mirror who is the most beautiful, she is asking who is the palest mf around. It's the Queen's problem that she conflates that with beauty.

In the 1812 German version (and German versions since then), the queen asks who is "schΓΆnste" in the land. That's definitely pretty, beautiful, or attractive, rather than pale, white, or brilliant.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 6 points 22 hours ago

Or snow white was the only one with a face not full of blemishes from a plague or two in the environment.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 points 22 hours ago

Modern day villians are insufferable.

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