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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 months ago

You keep saying that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Unlock-able versus un-lockable

[–] Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's mental bracketing for you.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago

TIL the thing I do when I’m trying to understand an ambiguous sentence has a name

[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 32 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Ahh, I've been speaking english for over a decade, and I still sometimes get caught up with these and say the opposite thing of what I want

Like the whole thing of flammable and inflammable meaning the same thing.. just why?

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

"flammable" actually has an interesting story:

Since 1980s use of the word, especially in safety warnings, has been sometimes discouraged lest it be misunderstood as "non-flammable" through confusion of the two prefixes in-.

Ref: inflammable on Etymonline

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[–] valar@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Cuz the prefix "in-" can mean both "not" (as in invalid) and "to cause to be" (as in indebted)

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago (8 children)
[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Romantic words were incorporated differently into other languages as the Roman Empire's influence spread. Words like inflammable have more direct Latin roots than words like indebt. So where Inflammable comes directy from the latin inflammo, indebt came from old French and middle English, going from something like endetter and endetten, using the root word dete and dette, but stemming from the root Latin word, debitum. Then en became in at some point.

That's how I understood it anyway through a very short amount of google searching. Anyone feel free to correct me.

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[–] Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Cause the verb is inflame and means to place a flame in on on something, as opposed to not flame. The problem being in both inflammable and the issue the OP of the image is the notion of re-bracketing. Rather than think of it as [inflame]able it gets converted into in[flammable] in the minds of new readers/listeners which flips the in- prefix meaning to not rather than in/on like it is supposed to be.

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[–] 5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.org 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let me present to you a genre-classic from Germany:

umFAHREN -> to drive around something or somebody.

UMfahren -> to drive against something or somebody in a way it/they fall over.

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

making up the rules as we go

You seem unaware at how, while French is steered by a committee of linguists, English is steered by a mob of autofellatic influencerati fame-whores, all looking for differentiation and trends to manufacture. So fetch.

[–] Knossos@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Stop trying to make fetch happen.

[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

The Académie Française is absolutely not a "committee of linguists". They're a bunch of rich conservatives who are way too high on nationalism, and they are infamous for going against the consensus of linguists (who they supposedly consult).

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[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

At the end, both are the same.

You end up with something that isn't locked.

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 months ago

I want my front door to be unlock-able, I don't want it to be un-lockable.

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[–] EffortlessGrace@piefed.social 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Are we just making up language rules as we go?

Yes, throughout history, in fact.

And to answer the meme's question, it can have either definition based on the context of usage.

[–] Orangenkuchen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Redminds of the German "umfahren" (run over) which is the exact opposit of "umfahren" (drive around). (First is pronounced with a tiny pause after the second letter; the other is not.)

[–] Chaf@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 months ago

Even better is "Haare wachsen lassen". One meaning is letting your hair grow, the other is waxing your hair. Pronounced exactly the same

[–] _skj@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Depends on emphasis. Said with normal stress on the first syllable is "able to be unlocked".

But if you pronounce it with extra emphasis on both of the first two syllables with a bit of a pause between, I think most people would think "not able to be locked". Very context dependent though

[–] Zgierwoj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago

When you say that something is easily unlockable the second way sounds clunky, but both convey the same message that whatever it is, it is not secure

[–] khanh@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

almost always "able to be unlocked". "not able to be locked" is usually "non-lockable" or "not lockable".

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

The issue is the fact that the opposite action of locking is called unlocking and not something like delocking.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago

I would never use that word in either context, neither one is coherent. I would say, Picard, where is Beverly Crusher! She must shackle me, before I am overcome!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Highly illockable

[–] weps@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

could be both

maybe it's a homonym

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I would say "non-lockable" means can't be locked, and "unlockable" means can be changed from locked to unlocked, implying also being lockable.

But to answer the question, yes we are making up language as we go along. For one thing we've always done that, but recently the trend has accelerated as people strive to reduce complex ideas to simple, overgeneralized slang to avoid having to think as much or do as much thumb-typing.

[–] TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago

Sokath, his eyes uncoverable.

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Both. It is already been locked and therefore cannot be "locked"; simultaneously because it is locked, it is able to be unlocked.

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[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago
[–] Strider@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Curse you! 🙃

[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Non-lockable feels like the right term.

'Un-' directly implies undoing, an action. 'Non-' implies a status, a non-possibility.

That's my two cents.

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[–] Rokin@leminal.space 4 points 2 months ago

Nice shower thought.

[–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

to unambiguously say "unable to be locked" would be "nonlockable"

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Literally yes, we are.

Cause language is a toolkit to communicate ideas, and a toolkit frozen in glass is a useless toolkit.

You need to swap out that hammer when it starts getting damaged, or put back a screwdriver when you find out you need it again, or add new tools when you find that the tools you have now aren't fit to purpose.

And sure, there's some loose screws at the bottom of the bag, but they don't harm anything, and very occasionally they come in useful.

[–] bitteroldcoot@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

It means it gives the illusion of being locked, until an Israeli tech company plugs into it and unlocks it for the cops.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-tech-company-says-it-can-break-into-all-iphones-ever-made-some-androids/

[–] axh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago
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