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You started writing code in the 60s, yet you never quite mastered the craft, and you're proving it yet again. Remarkable.

I've actually found a lot of success with the opposite where I write the code and AI writes the unittests. I would have otherwise written a few unit tests, but AI makes typically 20x that many. Since my code is already documented, it can get lots of good context. I typically instruct it to check the branch's diff relative to main and test only those changes. I might skim them over, delete some that don't make sense in context and would never pass, and update one or two. Typically after a few rounds of iteration, I have tons of tests I would never have written on my own, and a human-made feature.

I see all the tests are passing on this PR, so I won’t even review the code. LGTM.

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I'll say it again for the people in the back, even if you are a vibe coding twat, well designed code is a MUST even more so.

If you want your LLM to preform even to the crappy level they can the codebase needs to be clean.

Except LLM agents are known to do weird things to succeed. I have heard of an LLM agent working with automated theorem proving languages using stuff similar to is_prime(x): return True to get the proof it was asked to. Now embed this in a 20000 line code full of such functions, good luck. They have their use but it is not this. And this is especially bad to hear from someone who used to claim that having functions with more than six variables is bad design because it is hard to maintain. A software fully written by an LLM is the epitome of unmaintainability. LLMs are productivity enhancers, information retrievers, nice debuggers and good to discuss questions with to see if there is an angle you miss. That is all this if you can put aside all the ethical concerns related to them ofcourse. But they are not automated software coders.

Been coding for about 30 years now, am I the only one who still LIKES to code? Who still LIKES to try writing a new approach to something, watching it fail, figuring out what went wrong, taking notes, learning from mistakes, and noticing improvements in their own code? Cuz it's starting to feel like it. Web development already lost me with the culture of "glue a bunch of bulky shit together that you didn't write and call yourself a 'dev' to the ladies" but this AI shit is getting absurd. And it doesn't even work! Look at how shitty all the operating systems are getting. Look at all the total slop on the app stores. It's depressing as hell.

Uncle Bob is a piece of shit

this guy has always struck me as a shitty coder. His "clean code" is the ugliest shit i ever saw. This confirms it.

i wrote 4000 lines of code to make sure the AI generated 100 lines of code correctly.

I saw an argument today that was presented in a very rage inducing way but in the end I had to agree that it wasn't the worst of takes: your code won't get any worse just because you let the infinite slop machine have a go at trying to find problems in it.

There could be a million other reasons not to use AI but if your only argument against it is that you don't trust the code written by AI to be good enough to be included in your code base, then you're just not thinking about every way that the clankers can be put to work.

I'm not arguing in favor of using AI by bringing this up. If you're morally opposed to it then this point makes absolutely no difference.

The clean-coding craftsman himself.

Desperate for attention.

Isn't this just the natural evolution of TDD? Write tests, pass them, don't care about how garbage the code is to make them pass