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I personally do, he actually risked his life to release information about the government spying on people. And there are for sure more advanced ways now. Even your phone is listening.

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[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 247 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 176 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Damn right he is. He risked his safety and his life (and still does) to make sure we all know more about how the feds are spying on their own citizens.

He's a true hero of the American People, that one, make no mistake.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 140 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I consider him a true American patriot.

Nothing is more patriotic than wanting your country to do better.

Implementing drag net surveillance was a terrible decision, and exposing it was truly heroic.

Sadly, Snowden is now in the clutches of Russia who can and does use him as their pawn.

It is easy to say that this is where the EU should have stepped up and given him sanctuary, but that would have been less than ideal for him.

  1. Europe and the US have close ties with police and law enforcement, while no EU nation would hand their own citizens over to the US, they would absolutely hand over a US citizen to the US if requested.
  2. During the war on terror, Europe was complicit in plenty of illegal renditions of their own citizens to the CIA, they were then sent to illegal black sites and tortured, plenty of these persons have since been proven innocent.

Given the high profile of Snowden's leak, the US still want's him back, and back then even more so, had Snowden gone to the EU, he most likely would have been extradited, kidnapped or even assassinated.

By staying in Russia that was a far lower risk to him.

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[–] yenahmik@lemmy.world 103 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think he blew up his life to reveal something the general public probably should be aware of, but ultimately didn't care about.

Idk if it was heroic, but it certainly was interesting how he released the info slowly to get catch the government in numerous lies attempting to downplay the truth of the matter. One of the Obama administration's biggest blights.

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[–] Ghis@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Guy gave up his life to show Americans (and the world) the truth, and we as a society just ignored him.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm starting to think the world isn't even worth saving, since this is how the world treats those that want to save it.

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ignored him.

No we hunted him and he had to hide in Russia.

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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, 100 percent. The fact that he's in exile in Russia is because he cannot get a fair trial in the US. He was never a Russian asset, he's a whistleblower being unfairly persecuted

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If he was a russian asset he'd be president today

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 1 week ago (27 children)

Yes. You're a bootlicker if you say otherwise

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (4 children)

He told the truth about the US spying on it's citizens. I got nothing respect for him.

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[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 1 week ago

Everybody, who puts morals or ethics in front of their own, personal gain, is by default a hero in today’s context. That’s the only weapon we have against authoritarian regimes, capitalism and oligarchy. A weapon, that can only be used once per capita. But don’t be fooled—we are all.

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seeing how little we actually did, I often wonder if he regrets coming forward.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 40 points 1 week ago

I don't think you remember https before. Snowden's revelations kicked off LetsEncrypt and the much broader deployment of https.

https://www.standwithsnowden.com/news/lets-encrypt-and-snowden.html

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think he is a very sad man. He thought americans cared, he thought if americans knew they were getting fucked over they would do something. He thought american democracy is worth fighting for.

He was wrong.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That should make everyone sad tbh

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[–] GarboDog@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago

Yes, he’s a hero And he shouldn’t be punished for calling out the he found. Hope he’s having a great day

[–] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think about where we'd be without him, and I think about where we are.

Oddly enough, it's the same place.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What Snowden did was objectively good, and he did so at great personal cost, but you should be cautious about making any living person your hero. His politics seem to lean closer to libertarian nut-job than anything else, and it's very possible he will disappoint you in the future. Case in point, Glen Greenwald broke the Snowden leaks, and I considered him one of my heros for a time,.but these days he sounds more like Tucker Carlson than anyone else. The point is, admire heroic actions, but don't make people your heroes.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 49 points 1 week ago

Yes, and I wish him well. Be careful, if you're thinking of anything.

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 week ago (13 children)

It's hard to say he's a hero, but, what he did was undoubtedly heroic.

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[–] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, at minimum a martyr.

Watching his disclosure real time while everyone around me ignored it was something else

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes, but...

He was a definite hero in releasing what he discovered. He blew the whistle on things that the government was doing that it had no right to do, and that people had a right to know about. He risked his life and freedom to do it, and is paying for that by having to live in exile in Russia.

The "but" is that at times he has speculated on things that he doesn't have any direct knowledge of.

For example, what he revealed in the PRISM leaks is that the US was tapping into submarine cables owned by companies like Google and getting the data that was going between various Google datacenters unencrypted.

That showed up in the PRISM leaks as this slide:

SSL added and removed here :-)

Snowden claimed that Google was cooperating with the NSA, when that slide shows what was really happening. The NSA learned how Google's architecture worked, found a vulnerability, and exploited it without Google's knowledge. Google reacted to the PRISM revelations by putting in a huge effort to encrypt data everywhere, in transit and at rest.

Until then they had thought that the data was safe. The places inside the Google network where the data was unencrypted were protected by significant physical security. They didn't think anybody could get in, at least not get in undetected. But, their threat model didn't include the US government treating them the way they'd treat an enemy country.

Google did "cooperate" with the US government, in that when it received a legal order for someone's data they complied with that legal order. They even set up systems to make that process seamless. Things like the FISA court were a bit of a joke, so it was really easy for the government to come up with a legal order that Google release the data. But, Google still did require that the government go through the motions of getting a court to sign off on the orders. I think that's why they were so surprised that the government didn't think that was enough and had tapped into their backbone traffic.

If you look at what actual full cooperation with the government looks like, look at the revelations of Mark Klein. He was also a heroic whistleblower. What he showed was that AT&T set aside a special room in one of their facilities where AT&T would copy all the Internet traffic hitting their network so that the NSA could sift through it as they wished. There was no need for a diagram of where AT&T added or removed encryption because AT&T was just handing it to them unencrypted.

So, yeah. He is a hero for what he did. But, he was irresponsible for mixing the things he knew for a fact with his own personal speculation on them, because some of his speculations were wrong.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Finally we had a guy truthfully hollering that the sky was falling and, at the end of the day, no-one gave a shit.

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[–] corbindallas@fedinsfw.app 35 points 1 week ago

Without reservation, yes.

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Permanent Record was the first book I ever read (apart from the ones in school and college), and I loved it. His story does inspire me.

In my eyes, he is!

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

There are a lot of comments here saying "it's tragic because no-one cared", but that is misleading as there is now a strong privacy movement.

I think, without Snowden blowing the whistle, anti-privacy laws would not face such stiff competition.

Yes we're all fighting a rearguard retreat, but without Snowden's sacrifice there would be no rearguard and there would be abject surrender rather than retreat, and we'd all live under eastern-style surveillance states without ever knowing.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 30 points 1 week ago

100% I do. Him and nicholas are the biggest black spot on the obama administration and I hope the things that bring him the most shame. They are part of a small group of heroes of the millenia. Snowden being in russia because he brought to light what the governement was doing is one of the biggest indicators of our dystopia.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

His demand to return to the US and give himself in was if he got a public (non military) trial.

The government's offer under Obama was that the only guarantee they would provide was that he wouldn't be subject to torture.

Even if he had negligible effect on state level surveillance, the documents he shared provided some insanely valuable perspective into the capability and power of nation states in the cybersecurity space.

Anything the NSA is or was doing can also be applied to other major countries like China or Russia, and the capability + compute power has only grown in size since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_disclosures

EDIT: Also in true American foreign interest memery, the top two most heavily surveilled states are Iran and Pakistan.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

conservatives have a wierd obssesion of him being a"traitor" guess exposing conservative hypocrisy is traitorous.

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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think what he did was heroic. I don't know for sure that his motives were pure, like I can't see into his soul, or know what his relationship with Russia was before doing it, but all in all I think what he revealed had to be revealed. The NSA were untethered by any sort of oversight or accountability to the public, and they proved beyond any doubt just how completely and totally an agency loses it's fucking mind when no one's watching. I doubt anything changed in that regard - they've probably just strafed into a different shadowy part of the landscape and are continuing with new/improved tools - but it at least taught us all that, yes, the government really is both capable and motivated to spy on every bowel movement and armpit sniff you perform, whether or not you're a suspect in a crime. The mere affirmation that this sort of thing really goes on is worth having.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 week ago (5 children)

FWIW, his passport was revoked while on a layover in Russia from Hong Kong to Cuba for an intended final destination of Ecuador. This is what caused him to seek asylum in Russia because that was his only option. His involvement with wikileaks during this time is suspicious knowing what we know now, but it seems to me he either got stuck in Russia because of the US or because of Wikileaks, and he didn't knowingly have a relationship with Russia before getting stuck there.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

He's a hero. Doesn't matter that it ended up being largely ignored by the public. He was motivated by doing good and sacrificed himself for it. That's the definition of a hero. A former coworker said "who's Edward Snowden?" when he came up. From that moment on, I judged her a moron, and that turned out to be a correct judgement.

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[–] rossman@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 week ago

mixed but yes. the govt made an example of him and from the popular standpoint he was serving the people. he also helped GDPR so thats factored in. currently the police state is still winning.

[–] ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Without a doubt I think he was a hero. We should build a statue to him at the NSA or Dell HQ - maybe both.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago
[–] BigTurkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck ya he is, the world needs more of him. Doing something for the greater good when greed and selfishness is not your primary motive 95% of the time makes you a hero in my book.

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