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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I can't believe I am siding with theocrats but i agree with Iran.

Now that I think about it, this war is between theocrats and their pedophile buddy versus another theocrats!

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, it’s theocrats either side.

It looks to me as if Israel is beating up whoever they want while Trump is pumping oil prices to profit.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I already said it a month ago, but I'm pretty sure the main contention over the agreement has been getting Israel to play along.

Trump can't actually say that he's on Netanyahu's leash because that would mean his supposed authority is non-existent. Iran also knows that Israel will never agree to anything, so they naturally opted to skip straight to negotiating directly with the US and having them "pull the leash" on Israel.

Regardless if it goes through or not, it ends in a fight between whether the US owns Israel or Israel owns the US.

[–] not@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

LOL! Image search for "president kissing the wall".

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think Israel will accommodate this, see "Greater Israel".

They want all of the land that God "gave" them, even though He's not powerful enough to deliver it Himself for some reason.

[–] Pappabosley@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

God works in mysterious ways, mostly it seems by delivering ammunition and enticing soldiers to shoot children for sport

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 35 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting!

I'm sorry, yes, Iran bad, USA bad, Israel bad

But it's hard not to smirk a little bit at how of all countries, Iran is basically holding the US hostage and forcing them to kick the biggest bully of the school in the nuts.

Something good may come from this after all

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 9 points 15 hours ago

It is a hell of a thing. It's nice when there's a side you can cheer on, but sometimes it's fun to just watch evil harm evil.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 100 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

So the war continues then.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 13 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

My theory on how this will go.

Iran will wait until the receive the money and other benefits from the deal. They will likely let some cargo ships through the new toll system and re-arm. Letting some oil pass eases the strain and decreases the odds other nations will get involved when they re-close the Strait.

Israel during the time will keep attacking Lebanon. Iran once it's ready, minimum one month, will launch several strikes on Israel citing Lebanon. It will then tell the US to drop support for Israel or it will void the agreement and close the Strait.

Now here's where it gets interesting. Trump may actually give Iran what it wants. They have fed his ego and convinced him this is a good deal and it will make him look good. The narcissist that he is will be pissed and much more likely to drop support for Israel for ruining his deal. Unless his handlers reign him in, then we get a full restart of the conflict shortly before midterms. Which will likely nudge things in favor of the democrat candidates.

This is pure speculation in my part, but I actually feel pretty confident on this one

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 hours ago

It will be interesting to see what Israel will do. This would be a defeat for them. Currently they have two options for a victory. One is to defeat Hezbollah to the point that the Lebanese government takes full control over the country. The other one is to finish the genocide in Gaza(aka kill everybody). To me especially that one sounds like it might happen. Israel needs to kill the peace deal and this would look bad for Iran, as they are seen as a sort of protector of Gaza.

It also might just about keep Netanyahu in power, as taking Gaza would make him a hero for radical Zionists.

[–] crossdl@leminal.space 4 points 12 hours ago

This sounds like a plausible turn of things. Here's to November.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 41 points 20 hours ago

Who could've seen this coming...

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 2 points 11 hours ago

🌎🧑‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Does this mean the Straits of Hormuz are still closed?

No tolls only fees!

No, no. Hegseth said they've always had control of the Strait, and he wouldn't lie. It would reflect badly on the government!

[–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Well James considering the straight was going to stay closed until at least 30 days after negations conclude, and the agreement is literally just an agreement to have negotiations and what it will take to open the straight which will not even have a chance to be signed until Friday, I’m going to say no the Strait of Hormuz is not open

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Lol, 300 billion dollars and our surrender can't even buy Donald Dumbass Trump a deal.

[–] immutable@lemmy.zip 3 points 12 hours ago

Classic art of the deal.

A trump never pays, so it’s ok to agree to pay things yoy cant possibly deliver. You weren’t going to pay the things you could deliver, why let a little thing like “you dont control Israel’s army and their endless bloodlust” stop you from promising that they will do things.

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 3 points 15 hours ago

Because drumpf can't reign in a rabid dog that is supposedly the US's closest ally.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Straight of Malacca is next

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 hours ago

Strategic importance, proximity to 'Chynah' and he wants a hat trick for the season finale of 'who killed civilised society?'

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 hours ago

If you want to hurt Chinas economy, that is a great target.

[–] the_dopamine_fiend@lemmy.world 46 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

Israel: the land were in is Israel's now so we're not leaving and we are abiding the agreement!

[–] ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago

What, 39th time isn't the charm?

[–] rozodru@piefed.world 30 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

just waiting for some zionist/Isreal sympathizer to say that the US trying to end the war with Iran is "anti-semitic" or something. tired of that word, it's lost all meaning.

so the US is Israels bitch while the rest of us wait in line. I'm tired of it. if there's one country that needs a smack in the mouth it's Israel.

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Agree on the lost it's meaning.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Also, Nazi, gaslighting, narcissistic, and especially whataboutism.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 17 points 20 hours ago

I'm sure that will go well

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

So the war will never end. Nice.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Same as it ever was.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Israel and the Lebanese government have entered into their own U.S.-mediated direct negotiations, of which Hezbollah was not a part. Those talks have yielded several announced ceasefires that were never implemented on the ground.

Gawd damn...

The world "slam" gets thrown around a lot, but that's one hell of a dig

[–] testfactor@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Hard to implement a ceasefire when one of the parties involved in the fighting wasn't invited to the ceasefire talks.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Also hard when the ceasefire doesn't stop one party occupying a solid chunk of the other's country and bulldozing villages...

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Ceasefire typically don't reverse territorial changes/occupations.

They are supposed to stop further aggression allowing both parties to discuss the dispuited/occupied territory and all other aspects of the conflict.

Please don't read this as support for Israel's actions, it's just odd to expect a ceasefire to mean a full military withdrawal. It's better to think of it as a pause.

Of course it's not like Israel has ever respected any ceasefire. So maybe this is all a moot point anyway

[–] TrippaSnippa@aussie.zone 2 points 6 hours ago

To Israel "ceasefire" means you cease firing, I get to keep firing.

[–] Perky@fedia.io 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This is why the administration is happy to "promise" $300 billion and other concessions. They know that Israel will never allow the war to end, so they'll never have to pay any price tag that's contingent on the war ending.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago

trump will pay 300 billion of our money without a second thought because he made a couple billion....

Don't think of America's money as his, he doesn't.

He views the country as a corporation he'll run into the ground while grifting as much as possible in the process.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

Inb4 a private party "leaks" proof that Trump is a pedophile.... wait, already ran that card. What will Bibi do next?