Hmm, yet another right wing politician, peddling policy that would weaken the European Union.
Holly gosh, I wonder where he gets his ideas and/or funding from?
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Hmm, yet another right wing politician, peddling policy that would weaken the European Union.
Holly gosh, I wonder where he gets his ideas and/or funding from?
A lack of repercussions
How do you cap population? Abortion is mandatory now!
1940s Europe: 👀
What is it with right wing populists and their obsession with immigration? All they ever do is state the immigration is bad, and that it's the root of all evil, provide no evidence for the claim, and then just keep parroting the claim ad infinitum until either elected or arrested/shot.
I get that they're racist but they're bordered by the likes of France, who exactly is it that's coming over that they have a problem with?
Basically it's a way to distract from actual political issues, and shift blame to people that have a hard time defending themselves.
It's a very old technique but ususally works very well. The Romans used to execute Christians, and in mediaeval times European leaders would do pogroms (of Jews), burning of Catholics etc. Then 20th century examples like segregation, Nazism and fascists like Oswald Mosely.
Nowadays we have the modern versions in MAGA and Reform and "stop the boats" and whatever this Swiss movement calls itself.
Always condeming "the other" and making sure only to pick on those who can't stand up or really speak for themselves, because that persecution is cheaper and easier than acually solving problems.
Especially if those problems could be solved by worker reforms and progressive tax systems.
We had a foreign exchange student from Switzerland living with us recently, and I can confirm that the German side of Switzerland thinks the French side as lesser.
I doubt it was an honest goal. It was most likely a post-truth political device for aligbment.
Aww yep, good to hear only 45% support 'capping' the people they don't like, phew.
Well, you have to see it in a bit of a context. Many votes in Switzerland are concluded on a much tighter scale. Sometimes stuff gets accepted or declined by 50.5% or even less. 55% against the initiative is pretty decent, especially when it looked like it would pass for a long time. Me personally I would have liked to see 95% against this crap, but this has never happened on any matter that was voted on, so...
Also, the cities and suburbs, with the supposed "problems of immigration" right in front of their doorstep, all declined the initiative. It was the country side and small communities that aren't even affected by immigration, that voted for it. This shows once again, that fear is a powerful tool to mobilize masses. Thankfully it didn't work this time but we gotta stay alert and fight the narrative of fearmongering every single day.
Source: Me, I'm Swiss.
Another indication that interacting with others from outside your bubble is the best vaccine against right wing rethoric regarding immigration: in rural areas and suburbs such interactions tend to be much rarer than within the city...
It's so fucking embarrassing to be a human being and watch dumb shit like this and authoritarianism growing around the world.
So many countries started because of this kind of shit I've human history, but we're all outta globe to pack our shit and start a proper country with blackjack and hookers...🫤
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Holy shit...appreciate the heads up! Its funny too, the top one is the only one with the spelling correction edit. No idea what happened but thanks for pointing it out!
My thoughts exactly. Everyone is like "the Swiss have spoken and are clearly not supporting capping the population". And I feel like that is not really showing the reality...
The SVP sold it as anti-foreigner thing but it was really about forcing Switzerland out of the Single Market, a Swiss eqivalent for Brexit. Again. The SVP doesn't take no for an answer.
I'm please to hear of the results. I didn't think the "No" side would have won by more points because the pre-referendum polls showed neck and neck.
Anyway, it's a silly initiative to begin with. I was thinking even if the "Yes" side won, in my mind I'm thinking "let the leopards eat their faces". Never mind the arguments on culture and so on, the economic damage to capping the population is insurmountable because it means fewer workers to migrate. And also, how is capping 10 million even logistically possible? Are they going to deport people? Who decides who to deport if a person is either long term resident or born and raised there? Are they going to do sterilisation if by some miracle there is a baby boom (which by the way, Switzerland like the rest of the world right now is having fewer fertility rate) and the population is reaching 10 million? Far right policies are moronic because they are purely based on emotions. Leopards eventually do eat their faces.
It's exactly the same in the UK. The whole Brexit thing has been the unmitigated disaster that it was predicted that it was always going to be. It turns out that if you don't let immigrants come into your country they can't pick your crops for you they can't drive your trucks and they can't work in the hospitals (amazing who would have known).
It's almost as if immigration is useful.
I know this isn't how it would work but im just picturing some one woman giving birth, the doctor hands her the newborn and she holds it for the first time... Some man walks in wearing a black suit and pulls out a gun. He shoots the baby through the head. "sorry that was the 10 million and 1 Swiss child, we have a limit!"
Clearly it would be more humane to take out the oldest Swiss person instead of the youngest
Much better idea: kill the richest person and distribute their wealth evenly amongst the rest of the population, public infrastructure, and social programs
Repeat until there's no billionaires, no poverty, and nobody has to go without anything essential for living in a modern society.
this is switzerland, silly. they're more likely to kill the poorest first.
It's Switzerland. You could close your eyes and shoot the bullet blindly, you would probably hit a billionaire.
Out of all the countries in the world that shouldn't be implementing population caps, it's Switzerland. The entirety economy is based on people and corporations moving there.
You might find Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s story "2BR02B" ("to be or not to be") an interesting read. It's not exactly like your theory, but it's not too far off.
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I have no particular skin in this game, but reading the article:
Come on folks 👀
That's a moderately high participation rate for Switzerland.
See this list of past votes.
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/politics/popular-votes.html
What does the article mean when it says switzerland is "all but surrounded by four of them"?
It means Switzerland is all but surrounded by four EU member states. Germany, Italy, France, and Austria.
The point being every country around them is in the EU and Switzerland is a notable enclave when you look at a map.
Liechtenstein: "Am I a joke to you?"
I mean ... yes.
If you've been to Lichtenstein, you know the answer is yes. We have villages that are bigger. And the architecture there is eclectic.
No, just the allbutt :-)
"All but" has always confused me as a phrase even as a native English speaker. You would think it means it isn't surrounded at all, i.e. "all but:" = "the last thing it would be is:", but apparently not.