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I've been telling my students that only lazy people use AI. Work email about the upcoming end of term staff party has a fully AI generated poster. (Like, YOU designed our school logo. Why is the logo on the invite completely different?)
And the worst part (unrelated to above, but still hurts)
Staff are willingly adding students names into the prompts. Sure, you can give your personal data to the machine, but the kids? Who have no choice? That hurts.
How the hell did these lawyers do their jobs before?
Dump the work on your underlings, but now they are dumping it on AI. Whoops.
And all it took was a half dozen layoffs, the CEO is thrilled!
Cocaine
And paralegals, I would bet the paralegals are the ones useing AI, but telling a judge "hey I didn't check anything I just submitted what the paralegals gave me" could be worse for the career.
I miss integrity.
I know how this is going to sound but during college I thought I was going to go to law school and I had a cute little part-time job with the smallest local law firm. It was just the lawyer who had been doing it for ages and another part-time lawyer, so pretty much a one-man firm, and I would draft briefs for him that were absolutely ridiculous in their acerbity. He would then edit them and call me into his office and show me his edits and tell me I needed to tone it down. It was social security disability law, so there were a lot of people with debilitating diseases, some of whom didn't receive benefits for YEARS until after their deaths (benefits went to widow/ers). It shook me and the scales fell from my eyes, but we actually worked on these things. He was a smart guy and could have done a different field of law but he genuinely wanted to do this, and the college students he employed cared too, and we crafted our own words.
I really miss that man.
Anyway, all of that to say even if paralegals were drafting the lawyers' statements, there is no reason for them to not look over them and properly edit before they submit. Because some of my first drafts were wildddd lol
Part of the problem these days is people have slowly stopped mentoring young professionals like that. Yes it takes time, but it's either paying it forward or leaving the world better than you found it. As a professional I have obligations to society, and I believe those include the integrity to review everything I professionally endorse to a reasonable degree, and to help guide and instruct younger members of my career when given opportunities. It's important to say "hey, here's what you did wrong, here's why it's wrong, here's how you should do it."
Bro during my intership I called a couple students into my office to say hey, you made a mistake, this is rife with typos, you didn't even fill out this section, and they took it so badly. I was shocked. We were only a couple years apart in age but seriously they acted like they had a limp whenever you asked anyone to do anything.
A standout was when a patient's BMI was recorded as 6,000 (obviously imopossible) and we all had a good chuckle about it and then I asked them to go find a a nurse to fix it because we didn't know how to/didn't have access on our end, and they gave me shocked pikachu faces. Like okay, you can't correct that yourselves, what can you do...crickets. They pushed back so hard against anything I told them to do. It was my first experience managing people and they were acting like I was weird and bad and wrong for trying to tell them to do normal hospital stuff. So then I feel like the bad guy
Hey, as a man on ssdi I honestly appreciate you. And I honestly feel most lawyers and their employees are dedicated and work hard to get things right, that's why when stupid shit happens it makes the news, noone wants to read "normal decent guy, dedicated to their profession, once again does an outstanding job.
I realy do appreciate your work, I'm a bit odd about words and love clear exact terminology, some leagal briefs I've read are fucking poetry.
Oh sorry I kinda went off on my own tangent but I'm glad you have people looking out for you. We had to file and file and file and kept bouncing to different courts and going to the 7th circuit etc and it was crazy how much work they put in to try to block it. Imagine if they just gave you benefits straight away, since they definitely wasted more money with the denials and appeals. What a wonderful world. I really hope you're doing well (clearly I'm not the terminology guy)
Nah your good man, it truly is insane watching how much money gets wasted by trying to catch cheats. Just have Dr's submit shit and get it done, then if someone does cheat go after the Dr's and the cheaters.
Fraud for disability might be higher than other social welfare programs but last I heard fraud for food stamps (which directly supports American farming btw) was well under 1% which means if they spend more than that fraction of a percent looking for fraud it was a waste of money. Guess which direction the government would rather put their money.
You are talking about lawyers? Nice and decent? Wow.
Plenty of them are. (Only speaking on America because I don't know much about elsewhere). The national lawyers guild is awesome. The ACLU has its controversies and decisions I may not love, but by fuck do they fight for our civil rights. Environmental lawyers accept shit pay and long hours to fight for a habitable world. Public defenders accept bad pay and long hours standing up for the accused (yeah lot of issues there too, but the job is necessary). There are lawyers fighting for civil rights all over, especially now as the government engages in tyranny. And yeah social security and disability lawyers fighting to get people what they're owed.
Lawyers can be expensive, slimy, and weaponized, but they're also a vital tool in pressuring governments, and yeah that goes both ways too. Fascists want you to be disillusioned by them because lawyers are part of how we preserve the rule of law instead of rule by law.
I don't know, it seems we've nearly perfected a failing upward system. Much better than all those old fashioned professional oaths we used to take serious. /s
Should've fined both lawyers for this bullshit.
There were actually 4 lawyers, and all 4 were fined and 2 of them barred from presenting to the Court for several years.
Judge wasn't fucking around.
Judge wasn’t fucking around.
Just one of many such stories, and yet more lawyers keep thinking it's a good idea to bring unverified AI into a courtroom...
Sure, use AI to generate your documents and filings ... but then take the time to verify it manually! Make sure the cited cases and laws actually exist and are actually relevant. Scan it for errors or 'AI speak'. At least fucking read it.
I have no idea how people can be so confident in a LLM that they'd use it for something so high-stakes without checking its work!
Never, ever use AI for legal review for a client.
Inviting an AI into the threads removes privilege.
lol, that too. Who knows what kind of private legal information you're freely feeding to the AI company.
It's worse than that. The AI isn't part of the attorney/client relationship, so anything shared with it isn't covered by privilege and is discoverable.
Disbarment should follow after the leak soon, for violating privilege
You could use a local AI... that's only running on your computer... that's specifically trained on dumps of old cases and such...
But I guess lawyers are not known for their tech savvy.
Maybe you could say their heads are in the cloud.
I litteraly just went through this shit about 3hrs ago. I needed to install a flange gasket for a 2.5" pipe flange hydraulic return. A.I tells me I can't use this particular multi layer gasket type I have because I have a flat flange.
Lo and behold I find the the manufacturer data sheet. Perfectly suitable for my application.
Like it's one thing for a.i to fail at making shit up. But it's a hole other fuck up when it can't even regurgitate information correctly.
The barring part makes me happy. The fining might make me happy....how much was the fine? Do you know?
Between 1100 and 3500. It's in the artiblcle before the paywall kicks in.
Ok. Given Lawyers general salaries, that's really not that much. That's like a slap on the wrist. I was hoping it was like $20,000.
But the barring still makes me happy.
It's more about the barring and the official censure. A couple grand doesn't mean much A judicial beatdown is professionally damaging.
And since it's federal court, being barred from that courtroom is a real blow. It's not like they can just focus on the next city or county over.
Meanwhile the legislators are writing laws with AI, so it's fucked before it gets to the courts
Can't wait for the first law containing emojis…
☺️ As of 2026, humans and organic life will be concentrated into cities. 🫡 AI will take over and run the systems human depend on for living. 😷 AI already has taken over the healthcare system to provide humans care. 🤠 In perpetuity, humans abdicate their rights and serve AI.
We have a pedophile for president, the entire legal system is a joke anyway.
"I get you're frustrated 🧨. That's perfectly legitimate. 👍 Here are five ways to make your concerns heard: ..."
"you get what you pay for" is not even a thing anymore. Lazy people will just use an LLM and charge you as if they did the actual thinking.
This is disappointing. I would not want to be the judge on a case that nobody respects.
That was the only logical thing to do
So if bots talking to bots is the dead internet, does AI arguing in court against other AI means that we are now seeing the beginning of dead law?
No. Dead law began with the supreme court (which I shall no longer capitalise) hand-waving presidential crime. Law has been broken ever since in the US, and it's been getting worse.
should follow up with general bar reviews, need to hammer out this behavior.