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There's a simple solution to this that I've seen some bars in my city do. Make all the cubicles and urinals gender-neutral and mark them as such.
This seems like the obvious solution. An area for stand-up wees. An area for sit-down wees and poos. Everyone can wash their hands together in an open area.
No need to bring gender into expelling waste. Wouldn't be surprised to find modern toilets were invented by the Victorians so men wouldn't have to find out that women also shit.
Never thought I'd ask this but... how do I determine the gender of my toilet? And how do I confirm it's cis-gendered?
Toilet have a cloaca as long as they haven’t been neutered. To check the gender, slip your arm up the P-trap and feel for the glands. You’ll know what a dick feels like.
Most domesticated toilets are neutered at birth to prevent overpopulation and damage to the local sewage ecosystems.
They want trans genocide, they aren't even trying to hide it anymore
And every person who gives Rowling money or watches her show outside the high seas is directly complicit
Single-sex toilets and changing rooms in England, Wales and Scotland must exclude transgender men and women, according to a new code of practice from the equalities watchdog.
But the long-awaited guidance also says that businesses and service providers have to offer practical alternatives such as gender-neutral toilets for people who do not wish to use services for their biological sex.
I guess I’m naive to hope that a business would rather convert existing facilities to two multi-sex bathrooms rather than have to build and give up existing space to a third bathroom.
I hate, with a burning passion, the term "biological sex".
We have frankly, no fucking clue how our genetics and sex are intertwined.
We used to think it was "just chromosomes", but then we discovered "biological men" with double-X, or double-X and a Y, or vice-versa.
Or intersex individuals.
Then, we also got to consider that, say, a "biological woman" can transition to a "transgender man", which renders no change to their genes, just hormone levels, and they see physical development, voice deepening, hair growth, etc, just like a "biological man", or vice-versa.
In conclusion, "biological sex" is just another gross simplification created by people who's minds are so pathetic they can't comprehend reality and so choose to live by mantra founded in disproven pseudo-sciences, religion, and other excuses to avoid critical thinking, and then put themselves in positions of power.
Doesn’t sound to me like you know the difference between sex and gender. We do have a pretty solid idea of how genetics and sex are intertwined, including intersex conditions. Gender is a whole different thing.
Biological sex is a dogwhistle made digestible to appease the apathetic moderate
Edit: and this entire thread is proof of that 🍿
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As far as I can tell the UK is the only country in the whole of Europe following America down this specific insane moral and political rabbit-hole.
It's like they tried to get into the XXI century, failed and decided to go back to their time of greatness, the Victorian Era.
They do have a prominent billionaire who is bribing anyone to take up her anti-trans positions.
I thought that toilets were a primarily a public health concern. If they are not provided then unfortunate things start happening in secluded corners.
Isn't that the goal here? Exclude people from toilets. They have to pee elsewhere. Arrest them for public urination or "indecent exposure". Maybe put them on some kind of sex offender list like the Americans are doing for people caught urinating in public. Spread fear about "trans sex offenders".
Why do gendered toilets exist anymore? It's the 21st century and we don't need them.
More anti-trans bullshit. I don't understand the darkness one must possess to come up with these legal machinations.
I'm curious how they'll handle enforcement. "Please present your genitals for inspection before entering"
Oh, this type thinks they "can always tell".
Thing is, they can't. Trans people pass as cis pretty often, even to transphobes. And they're constantly 'transvestigating' people who are actually cis.
What this will actually accomplish is license to harass (and, yes, probably attempt to inspect the genitals of) anyone who's even a little bit gender non-conforming. It will mainly hurt cis women and cis men who, respectively, don't look feminine enough or don't look masculine enough. Functionally, it's just another way to enforce gender conformity.
I hope all people who have a problem with ~~trans~~ LGBTQ people die peacefully in their sleep. Tonight.
This is going to make it so difficult to plan out businesses and buildings that everyone will end up with gender neutral bathrooms and spaces. It's my dream that all those lobby groups who think they're protecting women will have to shit next to every man, woman, femboy, adult baby, theydy, them, zem, furry and otherkin in the UK.
single sex toilets must be forever prohibited from existing, says actual equality and human rights
Is anyone going to comment on the AI slop image used by the guardian?
All of this is solved with just using more single occupancy bathrooms. Just an open hallway with rooms and toilets and changing stations. Sinks in the hallway.
Why the fuck do these perverts care so much about what people do in a bathroom? How fucking weird
I'm having an argument with idiots here in Australia trying to "protect women". No joke, most of them are toxic blokes who are trying to be masculine. I even got told by one I'm not a man, because I should be protecting women.
In another thread, there was a guy who was posting back and forth telling me I was a guy dictating things.. whilst, I didn't even comment what should be done. I just commented that climbing gyms are running womxn nights for years without issue and it's a non issue is causing some of them to go nuts
In fact, they solved the dilemma entirely by just going unisex (and, the toilet cubicles are full length and mostly soundproof it feels like, so they're actually awesome
There is a solution to all of this. Unitary WCs. Each has one toilet, one sink, at least one method for drying hands and at least one sanitary disposal for non-flushable items. Mirror optional. A toilet brush might also be a good idea.
Communal rooms should go the way of the dinosaur.
That way, anyone, regardless of persuasion, intent or comfort level, can use a toilet in peace. And if they want to invite someone else in for safety, so be it.
All the problems with this solution are excuses, and usually not very good ones.
I believe that communal bathrooms are cheaper to build and maintain, hence we still have them, not because anyone enjoys using them.
So, a bathroom ban for the entire UK?
Did you guys see the US speed running a regression arc and decide to try your hand at it?
Did I read it wrong or is all that is required to meet guidelines to implement gender neutral washrooms accrossed the board? I feel like this would have the opposite effect that the anti-trans movement wanted and I am here for it.
Terf island at it again.
What's that got to do with equality?
These people are suspiciously concerned with what's going on between other people's legs.
So how are these dipshits going to feel when a trans man uses the female toilet?
They're going to feel great because that'll give them another opportunity to harass transgender people.
I was confused, but then the article was about the UK, where they stupidly did Brexit. Don't worry, everybody. This is just about people who make dumb decisions.