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[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Well what can we do if the president of the USA is protecting Israel despite everything and says F international law lol actually he hates international law and looks up to dictators lol americans can protect but they need to strike for days bring the economy to a standstill and demand justice, in Europe they strike for way less

[–] DisasterTransport@startrek.website 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

stop all exports of kerrygold to the united states. I'm only half joking. hit us in the stomach. no more butter, no more cheese, no more beer. Those are our three favorite things in the whole world. Yes, more than oil. we can make all that stuff ourselves for way cheaper but holy shit do comfortable people love Irish dairy.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 30 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

So they are keeping westerners hostages too now. Terrorists.

[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 24 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area

The problem isn't really the muslims here, nor the jewish supremacy. If you kick 700,000 people of any religion, creed, race, whatever off of the land they've lived on for centuries so you can start living there, you're going to have a problem.

Jews can live anywhere

In the context where zionism was conceived (late 19th century Europe), this is false. Actual antisemitism was rampant in all of Europe. They were being lynched in the streets, and discriminated against on levels that are unimaginable today. And it was completely normal too! It is impossible to overstate what an awful place Europe was for the jews. And this is before the holocaust!

There were some brave jews who organized and armed themselves and fought back, with the motto "here, where I live, is my country". This was the bund, and they were like the jewish version of the black panthers before the black panthers were ever a thing. Organized schools and mutual aid and all that, too. Truly heroic people.

The other solution is to run away, to colonize some other place (maybe Uganda, maybe Argentina, maybe Palestine) and become the master race there. This is zionism. You know which solution the antisemitic western governments preferred. And it makes sense, right? Imagine you hate jews, imagine you're an actual antisemite, and a member of british parliament. And now the jews come to you to say, "hey we'll just move to another country, get out of your hair". That's cause for celebration! Not only are you getting rid of the jews, but they're volunteering to leave! And that's how you get the Balfour declaration.

Anyway fuck pissrael.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area.

That is not the issue with Israel. Jews lived peacefully among Muslims and Christians in Palestine, the problems started when they started immigrating from Europe to displace indigenous Palestinians on the bases of religious superiority and exclusivity.

The problem with Israel is not that they wanted to create a Jewish only state (that's a different issue), it's that they wanted to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine to do it.

[–] GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

At this point Israela has peace agreements with several of those "Muslim area" countries, so it less a problem of religious differences and more one of occupation and ethnic cleansing.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 145 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

But it's OK because Israel is a democracy. /s

It's funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.

Just remember that "But it's a democracy", is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Just remember that “But it’s a democracy”, is not an argument for anything

It's also good to remember that not only is this not an argument for anything, but also the precondition of being a democracy is simply not met for pissrael. You cannot do apartheid and legitimately call yourself a democracy. There's a couple million people within the dominion that pissrael rules over who simply cannot vote for the bodies that govern them. That's not a democracy.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

You cannot do apartheid and legitimately call yourself a democracy.

I absolutely agree on that. Weird I never thought about it when the claims were made.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world -3 points 4 hours ago

me she'll be deported unharmed

i notice they believe the rape of the other protester but not oct 7

misogynize the global intefada

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 hours ago

But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy.

Exactly Citizen! Good to see that the Raytheon CorrectThink ^(TM)^ rays have been beneficial! Looks like we don't need to increase the beam strength after all.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 69 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

USA is also a democracy

Is it though?

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 21 points 13 hours ago

american here: it is not a democracy. also, FUCK ISRAEL

[–] Hayduke@lemmy.world 48 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

It’s a plutocracy disguised as a democracy

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It's a democracy where dollars are considered citizens and allowed to vote.

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 12 points 13 hours ago

Where corporations are people and women are baby factories.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago (2 children)
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Technokleptoplutokakistocracy

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

I mean yeah, not wrong.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Those are not mutually exclusive. It's both.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

No one said it was mutually exclusive and technically "but yeah" is an agreement so what am I missing?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago

"but yeah" implies a correction to me.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 13 points 13 hours ago

USA claims to be a democracy.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

It's a dysfunctional democracy. So it's absolutely not a good democracy.

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[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (5 children)

It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of "electoral democracy" behind the "true" democracies, termed "liberal democracy."

From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:

Regimes that possess the bare minimum to be considered a democracy. They are "de-facto accountable to citizens through periodic elections", but are not liberal democracies and lack further entrenched individual and minority rights beyond the electoral sphere. Basic electoral democracies may not possess a fully developed rule of law, legislative and judicial oversight of the executive branch, protections against the "tyranny of the majority", and only minimal fulfillment of Robert Dahl's institutional prerequisites for democracy.[13]

Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.

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[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 28 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
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