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[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 24 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area

The problem isn't really the muslims here, nor the jewish supremacy. If you kick 700,000 people of any religion, creed, race, whatever off of the land they've lived on for centuries so you can start living there, you're going to have a problem.

Jews can live anywhere

In the context where zionism was conceived (late 19th century Europe), this is false. Actual antisemitism was rampant in all of Europe. They were being lynched in the streets, and discriminated against on levels that are unimaginable today. And it was completely normal too! It is impossible to overstate what an awful place Europe was for the jews. And this is before the holocaust!

There were some brave jews who organized and armed themselves and fought back, with the motto "here, where I live, is my country". This was the bund, and they were like the jewish version of the black panthers before the black panthers were ever a thing. Organized schools and mutual aid and all that, too. Truly heroic people.

The other solution is to run away, to colonize some other place (maybe Uganda, maybe Argentina, maybe Palestine) and become the master race there. This is zionism. You know which solution the antisemitic western governments preferred. And it makes sense, right? Imagine you hate jews, imagine you're an actual antisemite, and a member of british parliament. And now the jews come to you to say, "hey we'll just move to another country, get out of your hair". That's cause for celebration! Not only are you getting rid of the jews, but they're volunteering to leave! And that's how you get the Balfour declaration.

Anyway fuck pissrael.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area.

That is not the issue with Israel. Jews lived peacefully among Muslims and Christians in Palestine, the problems started when they started immigrating from Europe to displace indigenous Palestinians on the bases of religious superiority and exclusivity.

The problem with Israel is not that they wanted to create a Jewish only state (that's a different issue), it's that they wanted to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine to do it.

[–] GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

At this point Israela has peace agreements with several of those "Muslim area" countries, so it less a problem of religious differences and more one of occupation and ethnic cleansing.