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[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago) (1 children)

Well what can we do if the president of the USA is protecting Israel despite everything and says F international law lol actually he hates international law and looks up to dictators lol americans can protect but they need to strike for days bring the economy to a standstill and demand justice, in Europe they strike for way less

[–] DisasterTransport@startrek.website 2 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago)

stop all exports of kerrygold to the united states. I'm only half joking. hit us in the stomach. no more butter, no more cheese, no more beer. Those are our three favorite things in the whole world. Yes, more than oil. we can make all that stuff ourselves for way cheaper but holy shit do comfortable people love Irish dairy.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 18 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

So they are keeping westerners hostages too now. Terrorists.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 0 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

I've seen this site a lot now on here, and it just looks like another low tier British tabloid that pumps out misleading ragebait content for clicks. From what I saw it's like the left wing version of the Daily Mail. Why is the information hygiene on Lemmy so poor? Why can't the community have higher standards on better sources?

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 2 points 12 minutes ago

Oh shit, did they make false claims in this article?

Or do you just object to their biased reporting? Because then we can exclude everything from AP news ("Israel ''''''tests''''''' ceasefire") to fox news.

[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 17 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area.

That is not the issue with Israel. Jews lived peacefully among Muslims and Christians in Palestine, the problems started when they started immigrating from Europe to displace indigenous Palestinians on the bases of religious superiority and exclusivity.

The problem with Israel is not that they wanted to create a Jewish only state (that's a different issue), it's that they wanted to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine to do it.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 131 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

But it's OK because Israel is a democracy. /s

It's funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.

Just remember that "But it's a democracy", is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 points 22 minutes ago

me she'll be deported unharmed

i notice they believe the rape of the other protester but not oct 7

misogynize the global intefada

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 hours ago

But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy.

Exactly Citizen! Good to see that the Raytheon CorrectThink ^(TM)^ rays have been beneficial! Looks like we don't need to increase the beam strength after all.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 63 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

USA is also a democracy

Is it though?

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 18 points 9 hours ago

american here: it is not a democracy. also, FUCK ISRAEL

[–] Hayduke@lemmy.world 42 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

It’s a plutocracy disguised as a democracy

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (2 children)
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Technokleptoplutokakistocracy

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

I mean yeah, not wrong.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Those are not mutually exclusive. It's both.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

No one said it was mutually exclusive and technically "but yeah" is an agreement so what am I missing?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

"but yeah" implies a correction to me.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's a democracy where dollars are considered citizens and allowed to vote.

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 10 points 10 hours ago

Where corporations are people and women are baby factories.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 hours ago

USA claims to be a democracy.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

It's a dysfunctional democracy. So it's absolutely not a good democracy.

[–] leoj@piefed.social 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I think the term is "contested democracy"

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

yeah its more like a democracy in process of facist takeover. Its a grey area.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 hours ago

A brown area.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of "electoral democracy" behind the "true" democracies, termed "liberal democracy."

From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:

Regimes that possess the bare minimum to be considered a democracy. They are "de-facto accountable to citizens through periodic elections", but are not liberal democracies and lack further entrenched individual and minority rights beyond the electoral sphere. Basic electoral democracies may not possess a fully developed rule of law, legislative and judicial oversight of the executive branch, protections against the "tyranny of the majority", and only minimal fulfillment of Robert Dahl's institutional prerequisites for democracy.[13]

Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

Israel and USA are both flawed democracies placed at 30 and 34.

But they are still democracies.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yes, by a broad definition. They can be considered democracies because elections, while not free and fair, are not directly rigged, opposition parties are allowed to contest them, and the press is partially free. Contrast this to a country like China or Russia, where elections are a sham, opposition is banned or controlled, and the press is tightly controlled by the government.

I will say though that both V-Dem and the Economist are being somewhat generous. Considering recent events in Hungary, one could argue both countries should really rank lower than Hungary.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I agree, and in Hungary Victor Orban had a lot of control of the media. That's a pretty big part of being a democracy, that the press (media) is free.

[–] almost_genocide@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

According to the scoring since 2006 the United States index has dropped by a whole 0.57

That seems highly suspect to me.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 49 minutes ago

I'm not sure what you mean? It has been the trajectory led mostly by the Republicans for decades.
Gerrymandering, illegal surveillance by agencies and even the police, secret laws upheld in secret courts overseen by a tight group of political leaders that are used to silence the press. Sounds like a conspiracy, except Obama admitted it, and even called it a good balance! The Republican rigging of the supreme court.

But maybe you mean it has dropped more?
Because I think it has because of Trump, and I also think the score of 8.22 that places it as a full democracy is moronic, considering it's a 2 party system with fpp voting. And USA has the highest number of prisoners, and they are not allowed to vote.
Nixon actively made cannabis illegal to silence the peace movement. And it has been used since to also oppress minorities.

The score has been consistently way to high.

[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
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