There's nothing wrong with the technology, it's who is running it all that needs to be fixed, with the general f*ckery that is through everything now I miss my 2400 baud modem that was bigger than my computer and dialing in to a BBS.
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What the zuck....
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Algorithms that are specifically designed to addict you are pretty wrong technology in my eyes. Wouldn’t matter who is running it, that tech is harmful.
Okay, but booze, nicotine, and crack were also pretty addictive.
Idk if I'd trade The Algorithm epidemic of the 2020s for wood grain alcohol from the 1920s
Okay, but booze, nicotine, and crack were also pretty addictive.
And heavily controlled, regulated and legislated. Algorithms aren't
And heavily controlled, regulated and legislated.
Only took a century or ten
Yeah, those are also harmful technologies that harmed societies more or less depending on the historical and geopolitical context.
Right now, the algorithm is more harmful than those because everyone is addicted to them. The sheer amount of time waste and collective brainpower that is being degraded or never even being developed is staggering and will stunt our society for decades to come.
Even fentanyl, while incurring a much more dramatic and tragic cost on individuals, has a fraction of the impact on society that the algorithm will have due to the scale of our collective addiction.
It’s like how wage theft has a relatively low impact on individuals but combined represents significantly more money stolen than all other crime nationwide.
The effects are spread out over many individual people, but it has an overall dampening effect on the growth and development of communities.
Right now, the algorithm is more harmful than those because everyone is addicted to them.
Again, I don't think you're acknowledging the difference between chemical addiction and social habit.
If you spend a week without cell phone reception, you don't die from withdrawal symptoms.
There’s nothing wrong with the technology
Glances at the legacy fossil fuel infrastructure
Idk about that.
the general f*ckery that is through everything now I miss my 2400 baud modem that was bigger than my computer and dialing in to a BBS.
A lot of the historical nostalgia is based on biased accounts of past eras.
"I wish I lived in the 80s" is a thing you say when you're not told about the airborne lead fumes or the acid rain. "I wish I lived in the 50s" is said by people who would feel very differently if they were being drafted to the Korean War.
It was that good in the 90s, enshittification is only more visible now as you have gotten older and better at identifying it.
The worst damage to computers was done by U.S. Congress in 1972 when they fired ARPA IPTO that invented the Internet and the foundations of everything we now have in enshittified form. The direction was fantastic until then.
The sick sad history of computer-aided collaboration
https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-the-modern-computer-look-and-feel/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
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Bullshit. This sounds like a dumbshit conservative article written in hopes to belittle gen z into boomer thinking.
Tell me without telling me that You didn’t understand anything what was written in the article or you didn’t even read the article?
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"to live in the past" is so fucking dumb, it shows that the person who wrote that title and the publisher who approved it thinks depending in AI, not caring about the data collected from you, jumping into whatever new popular thing and never having any critical thoughts about where this is all going is a good thing and the future.
They're actually living in the now and making choices from that and for the future, they understand the objectively bad practices and shitty behaviour of the late stage capitalism we're living in.
Does GenZ want to live in the past?
Nearly half (47%) of adults ages 18-29 said if they had the option, they’d choose to live in the past, according to a new NBC News Decision Desk Poll powered by SurveyMonkey. One-third said they’d pick a time period less than 50 years in the past, while another 14% said they’d choose more than 50 years in the past.
Sort of, yes?
I was born in the 80s and grew up in the 90s. It’s natural for me to be nostalgic about the 90s. It’s absolutely strange to me that any significant group of people who grew up in the 2000s would actually want to go back to the 80s or 90s, which they never experienced first hand.
The only explanation I can think of is that these GenZers watch shows like Stranger Things or Friends and think that’s what we all lived like back then.
I think it’s more because the future looks so bleak. Climate change & global ecological collapse, fascism, techno-feudalism, enshittification, the destruction of the middle class. These are all problems that the ruling class is actively and purposefully making worse. It’s no wonder that the younger generations don’t want the future we are headed towards.
It definitely seems like a lot of people think the future is bleak, though most people feeling that way have no idea what things were like 100 years ago.
My grandparents grew up on farms with 10+ siblings and left school after grade 8. They lived in tiny houses with multiple kids packed into a single room. They worked heavy manual labour on the farm and in forestry. It was very common for young children to die of the flu or measles or the common cold. My grandfather’s little brother died as a child. They had no idea whatsoever that the future was going to be as good as things are now, so it’s hard to say they had any more to look forward to than we do now.
They also had 2 world wars in their future, and for all the war we have going on right now, we’re fortunate that it isn’t even close to as bad as the world wars of the 20th century. Climate change is definitely a legitimate thing to worry about, but it’s really hard to predict how much it will affect any of us individually.
Oh absolutely they are wrong to seek refuge in the past. There is no refuge to be found there. I’m just saying it’s not surprising.
no, they want to grow up with economic optimism instead of despair.
i graduated in 2005 with 30K of debt, and i had a job for 40K and my rent was 500 bucks.
if I graduated in 2025 i'd have something like 120K of debt and my job would be like 45K, and my rent would be 1500.
my sister started working in 1995, she had 10K of debt, a 35K job, and her rent was 300 bucks. she was able to buy a brand new 15K car after graduation, before she even got a job...
the rich kids will be fine, however, anyone whose parents aren't in the top 10% is economically fucked for life unless they win the lottery, statistically speaking. rent/housing costs keep going up at twice the rate of inflation in most areas.
cost of living is has been outpacing wages by a factor of 2x for over almost two decades, and there is no sign of things ever getting better.
the stability of a middle class life has been stolen from gen z by boomers and gen x, and it will be even worse for gen alpha. even among millenials, there is stark economic divide between those who had their college/housing paid for my parents, and those who had to pay for it on their own.
If that’s the case, why prefer the last 50 years over the decades before that? In 1975 the average house price in San Francisco was 1/27 the price it was in 2024. That means you could have a $1.5m house for $55k. Adjusted for inflation, that’s $337k in 2026 dollars.
If you went back even further (to the 60s or 50s) it would be even more ridiculous.
because 1975 is two generations ago for them, not one.
for kids today, 1975 looks the way you probably see the 1930s/1940s. it's basically old timey black and white. it's not appealing or relatable, it's completely foreign.
90s is only one generation removed and relatable. when i was in high school kids loved the 70s, because it was one generation removed, but nobody was into the 1950s.
it also has to do with fashion and vintage and nostalgia, there is a 20 year gap there as well. that's why boomers are nosalgic for the 1940s/50s, because they were all born in the 50s/60s.
The 1970s are just as unrelatable to me as the 1930s. It’s all just “the before times” to me.
Also I think GenZers have no idea how bad everything smelled back then, due to the pervasive smoking in public and in everyone’s houses. I know this because public smoking lasted well into the 90s and I remember when it started going away.
I have a friend who is nostalgic for those times before he was born, and even claims to want to take up smoking, though he hasn’t had the guts to actually try. Really strange. I find smoking totally repulsive.
I think it's way simpler than that: this is the first generation since at least WWII whose prospect in life is to be poorer and with worse quality of life than their parents.
So of course they would rather the clock wound back to the time when people their age still lived with the expectation that things would just keep on getting better.
The Tech angle in this article is just a bit of cherry picking to avoid talking about the broader systemic issues of the collapse in social mobility, explosion in inequality and real economic growth (i.e. that calculate by real inflation numbers rather than the la-la-land official "inflation") having pretty much ground to a halt in 2008 and whatever there is of it being entirely captured by the top 1%.
It's never been this good to be a billionaire, but for the rest minus technological evolution things are the worse they've been since WWII.
I remember kids in the 90s wished they lived in the 60s and 70s. There are always people who aint feeling their lives who think a past time would auit them better
I’m sure you could find some kids like that, but 47%? That’s a lot!
in the 90s we looked forward to the future. in the 2020s very few people look forward to the future because the future looks so shitty.
i mean, i can relate. i don't see my life getting better in the future in any material way. i see my standard of living maybe being stagnant... if I am lucky. and my income have kept pace with inflation... but that's largely only because i have been investing since i was 25, if i was depending solely on my job income i'd be looking at falling further and further behind.
i also think it's bullshit that i literally can't go back to school or change careers, because the costs to do so would wipe me out economically. i'd have to take on 60-100K of debt to get another masters degree, that's INSANE.
just maintaing my certs in my own field now costs me 1000s.
You could move to another country where education is more affordable. Some places even have schools where masters and PhD students are funded by the university (and work as TAs for a stipend), rather than taking on debt.
I can understand if you’re not able to uproot your life like that though, so I’m not saying you’re wrong to stay where you are and try to survive.
The only explanation I can think of is that these GenZers watch shows like Stranger Things or Friends and think that’s what we all lived like back then.
That makes more sense. I was also thinking bigger time scales, "The Age of Plastic" or "The Renaissance" Not "When the modems were slower"😂
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The sad thing is they aren't really equipped to live in any world but the one being created for them. All the education indicators are trending down. They can't do much without an internet connection and apps
Tbf non Gen-Z would alao struggle if we'd remove their intermet sevices suddenly.
It feels like everyone in the cushy countries more or less forgot how to exist outside the their world
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I really don't think that specific emotion is isolated to gen z.
I remember all the promise and excitement that tech had back in the late 00's and early 10's. Things were unique and fun. That's just not true anymore. Every new software update adds shit that you didn't ask for and don't want (AI, ads, removal of user freedom). New hardware releases are either an underwhelming iteration of specs from the previous version, or an unimaginative device that has the same basic look and feel as every other device it's competing with.
Tech used to be fun and exploratory, now it's just companies pushing to see how much they can be allowed to exploit you for the least cost.
I just had this exact sentiment with the navigation app Magic Earth. A Google alternative that works decently enough, doesn't rob my data, and also has a built in dash cam function and is all for free? Sign me up! They just went freemium. Dash cam and a bunch of other features are now locked behind a paywall, and it came with an update one couldn't avoid. I'm so pissed, and really wish I could have avoided that. Now I'm searching for a half decent alternative.
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Tech used to promise a better life. Now it requires a subscription and wants your biometrics just to lie about pizza toppings to you. Sounds like gen z is on the right path.
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