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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I always hated Shakespeare, mostly because of how it’s taught.

Imagine reading about Quinten Tarantino in the future, they study his methods, his dialogue and cinematography, but they hand you his screenplays and ask you to analyze them. Not once actually showing you one of his movies.

In high school they tried to make me read all that nonsense and I had no idea what any of it meant. As an adult i saw a play as it was meant, and it gave me much more context and visual understanding. I still don’t get why he wrote like that, I prefer clear language over poetry, but I at least appreciated it way more than i did as a kid being forced to read

[–] groucho@retrolemmy.com 4 points 1 hour ago

Reading Shakespeare is torture. That is why we make actors do it for us.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 18 minutes ago

Do you think the future teachers will have a section dedicated to feet in Tarantino movies??? 🤨

[–] Yosmonkol@piefed.social 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Here's the paper for anyone interested. TLDR: In 2001 cocain residue was found alongside tobacco and hemp residue. There were also refrences to drugs in art and poems that the author supposes are cocain and cannabis. Fastwarward to 2023 when traces of cocain THC & CBD were found in bones from Milan. Today the author of the 2001 study is using the 2023 results to support his findings. As far as I can tell no one else has tried to test the pipe fragments.

[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Wait, how can that be right? Shakespeare had access to coca leaves and was smoking them? I know it's not literally impossible but it seems unlikely...

[–] Yosmonkol@piefed.social 1 points 8 minutes ago

Francis Thackeray, in his 2025 article, suggests Sir Francis Drake could have acquired it when sailing in the area. Since traces of it were also discovered in 1600s Milan its possible that the spanish were circulating it. This 2024 study discusses how the Spanish at least knew of it as early as 1499.

[–] Rivermoonwolf@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

As a former poet, this is 10000% accurate

[–] JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 44 minutes ago

Weed ---> iambic pentameter

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

i'm not what you'd call a poet, i handle the instruments, but i have this thing where for example the word for cat gets stuck between your brain and your tongue so you say claws cuddler or something like that (sorry, coffee is brewing you don't get a good one yet) and when a good one pops out you get good poetry. i blame the drugs.

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 44 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

I really hate the sentiment that you must be under the influence of something to reach a certain level of creativity. Some artists have found success with this and that's fine, but it is not a requirement. Not even for the most surreal and otherworldly art.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

also shakespeare is incredibly specific. the example I like to use is the famous

"Friends, Romans, Countrymen, Lend me your ears!"

Which takes place in a crowded marketplace.

Count the syllables: 1 (friends), 2, (romans), 3 (countrymen), 4 (lend me your ears)

it's a line in which the meter matches the intent - attracting attention in a big group.

Bill will also often add an eleventh unstressed syllable to his dialogue lines if he wants a character to seem vulnerable or weak, indicating they have fallen off meter because of their inner thoughts

very occasionally he does an eleventh STRESSED syllable when a character is being especially dominating and murderous.

The other famous examples is when a peasant or very low status character speaks, it won't be in verse at all, but plain prose.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

dammit i'm low on coffee and i'm thinking Bill? Bill who? Watterson? Why are we talking calvin and hobbes?

i'm going to go put a sticky note on my screen that says SHAKESBEEF and make some coffee brb

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Dépend, if you are ADHD canabis is an amazing way to increase the symptom and trigger an hyperfocus while going at 200% on all directions, great for a créativity boost. Whole reducing canabis and increasing active plant like caféine help reduce the symptom and make it easy to speak to neuro-typical. May be he had ADD or ADHD and used this to trigger what was called creative transe. My bad I missed the no requirement part. Yeah I join you on the sentiments, but I am not convinced artist need drug to create, like you are.

[–] neograymatter@fedinsfw.app 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

THC reacts strangely with my ADHD, It triggers some sort of dysphoria where I end up frustrated and angry that my brain/body isnt acting the way I want it to respond .

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Interesting that the effects are so different for each brain. When smoking I am not able to filter as well, I dunno of the filtering part slow or the idea part of my brain go faster. It make me have pint of vue different of mine on subjects. Which is interesting.

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

For me it opens up possibilities that my sober brain doesn't consider because my sober brain filters and edits things based on assumptions. So i sometimes miss details when sober because my subconscious brain dismissed those details as unimportant. Most of the time, that filtering process is a positive part of decision-making. I should be ignoring certain variables because knowledge and experience identified those details as a waste of time. However, on weed, i consider things i wouldn't have considered because that filtering process is lessened. So most of my stoned thoughts are worthless, but every once in a while i realize something that i was missing because my brain was ignoring that important detail when sober. It's great when I haven't been able to figure out that day's Wordle....or i realize why someone was pissed at me.

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That's interesting, is it an active though process or does it came to you like an flash ? For me it have two mode of working. Active, I am hyper focusing on a subject and keep reanalysing things or passive, I can't focus well for a time period and I feel something is amiss then one day illumination and I got the answer of a tricky problem/sytuation, some time I didn't even knew I had an issue ? I noticed that feeding informations seemly random on and around the subject is speeding the process. Some time I fell like a part isn't contrôlable so I work to influence it. (This skill help me at work)

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's a passive part of my active thought process. Sometimes it results from something I'm doing in the moment while stoned (i.e. listening to a conversation), other times it is just me pondering something that happened to me previously. My brain identifies new potential reasons and motivations for what I'm witnessing or thinking about. Most of the time i can dismiss an observation because logically it doesn't matter or make sense... Presumably that's what my subconscious is doing behind the scenes when I'm sober, filtering out the illogical. But every once in a while i consider something my subconscious would have ignored that seems logical. It's particularly helpful in understanding the motivations or assumptions of others. I think i am better at reading people and understanding their point of view because of it.

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 1 points 22 minutes ago

That funny how close and far our ADHD are, I often suggest that ADHD have some kind of frequency and sometime you are closer to the frequency of some adhders than others. That fascinating to get a glimpse of other peoples inner working :D

[–] neograymatter@fedinsfw.app 1 points 3 hours ago

That's actually somewhat similar to the piece that gives me dysphoria! It's like THC makes my body and brain operate at different speeds which I find incredibly frustrating.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I have had different experiences with smoking (which I dropped entirely) vs gummies. Gummies (any edible really) tend to take effect very slowly over the course of an hour and the high is much more calm than any joint I ever smoked. It lends itself well to creative sessions : as long as I'm able to get started, I don't stop easily.

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

so you're saying i should stop drinking coffee when I wake up and instead just smoke a bowl? I feel like I'm not as creative as I used to be, and my drug of choice has been coffee for the past 15 years...

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno, I am no expert, it work for me. I usually smoke the day I remote work and take coffee the days I work in the office. Do what work for you ;)

[–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Do you work in the band named Pink Floyd?

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

I whish, I got a really bad sense of rythm.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Also there are other ways to poke that side of brain. Most of the good abstract art I write was under sleep derivation.

Then again, I mainly write code, but it was still up to interpretation what that snippet is supposed to do.

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 2 points 3 hours ago

I noticed the same, when tired my brain take shortcuts and is far better at fast solving, but I lack the long view in this state. Brains are amazingly interesting.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I write my best when I’m depressed. I’m okay with finding alternative routes for that, though weed isn’t one of them. I find weed helps me when I’m doing visual art, but when writing? Weed practically renders me incapable.

I now understand why writers’ usual substances of choice are alcohol and caffeine.

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 1 points 3 hours ago

Redbull and vodka for devs XD.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 37 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

Hemp was very common back then for many uses. Cannabis does not automatically mean THC.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It was in a pipe though?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 21 minutes ago

Sorry, I read it as plumbing pipe for some reason.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Well, in the context of a clay pipe, the evidence suggest mary Jane, not hemp cloth.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago

Ohhh pipe not plumbing pipe

[–] oeuf@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 hours ago

So he was smoking hemp?

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 5 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Ignoramus here: what's the difference?

[–] UNY0N@feddit.org 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The cannabis plant when left to itself doesn't create much THC (which is what gets you high), but it is very useful for making rope and clothing, as well as oil and other products. Only when you make sure that you only have female plants (and take care of them in a certain way) do they produce lots of THC.

So just because the plant is growing somewhere doesn't mean that someone is smoking it.

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 1 points 4 hours ago

Thank you for the explanation! I thought that when people referred to cannabis, they always referred to its euphoric properties so I got a bit confused, haha.

I remember having one of these plants growing in my backyard because we had cockatiels when I was a kid and we would throw the leftover seeds in the backyard when they were up for new feed. Sometimes the leftover seeds would turn into plants and rather quickly, we had a 2 meters tall cannabis plant in the backyard which made my dad freak the fuck out and chop it down as soon as ne found out what that plant was. It was a very impressive plant, but probably not an infamous female.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The active drug part of the plant is the resin found at the flowers of the female hemp plant, created during pollination season. There is neglible amounts of THC in the rest of the plant, as in basically nothing. So you would only get high if you smoked that particular part of the plant, not the rest. So sailors could have saved on tobacco by using the dried leaves of the harvested hemp plants they imported for rope, but it wouldn't have made them stoned in the slightest.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Yes but it was found in clay pipes. I.e. smoking pipes. For whatever reason it was being smoked there.

Your sailor analogy is a possible explanation, but it doesn't make as much sense in a home or domestic setting.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 2 points 10 hours ago

To add, hemp was farmed for it's fibers, to make rope and fabric