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[meta] Please ban comics by bigoted artists (multiverse.soulism.net)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Grail@multiverse.soulism.net to c/comicstrips@lemmy.world

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A few days ago I made a post to gauge this community's opinion on whether it should allow nice comics by bigoted artists. I think we have a consensus.

The majority of comments were very in support of banning comics by artists like Stonetoss and Jago. I heard from queer people who said they'd feel safer if the rules were changed. A lot of people were concerned about this community becoming a "Nazi bar", the comment expressing that feeling got a LOT of upvotes.

The people against the change had two main arguments: anti-censorship, and personal responsibility. A few people equated active moderation practices with book burning. Nearly all of these "against" comments were downvoted or ratiod, and tended to have a lot of arguments underneath them, while the "pro" comments went uncontested.

On the internet, 10% of people will disagree with just about anything. With that in mind, I think we've reached a consensus. The community wants a rule change so that users can't post inoffensive comics by bigoted artists.

That means no more Jago comics. I see a lot of people in the comments under the Jago posts, getting angry and saying they want this rule change. People aren't happy with the user who's posting all the Jago comics.

Mods, this is what we want. Please change the rules and get Jago's comics outta here.

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[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Locking this for right now, this thread has gotten out of hand. Edit: unlocked. Please behave.

[–] bcgm3@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Either way the community goes on this, I'd really like it if there were a rule that each post needs to include the artist's name in the title. That way, we could have a basis for filtering out artists we don't personally care for. Not saying this should happen instead of any kind of ban on specific artists or content, but rather in addition to.

[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 15 points 6 days ago

Yeah. There's a particular person in these comments claiming we can just block things we don't like but who doesn't seem to realize that this doesn't work without some sort of tag system or artist name in the title.

[+] Digit@lemmy.wtf -6 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I may not agree with what they say, but I will defend to my death their right to say it.

Better to know where the ass-holes are. Let them show themselves.

Let it be downvoted.

[–] traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You don’t need to defend the right for a Nazi to speak.

[+] Digit@lemmy.wtf -7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Shall we just decree anyone we want silenced a Nazi then?

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I get what you're saying, but Nazis do not need a devil's advocate. Racists don't need any defending. Turns out, giving them leeway to spit out hate speech only encourages them to be more hateful.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 0 points 4 days ago

You say you get it, but nothing you said after the "but" corroborated the claim.

Was not playing devil's advocate [nor non-playing advocating]. Was not defending. Was satirically pointing out the folly of becoming them; the folly of opposaming; the folly of arrogantly presuming what to impose in ignorant lack of introspection unto hypocrisy; the folly of fear driven reactions that drive a social tragedy of the commons blind race to the bottom into kakistarchy. Can't defeat Nazism from here. Can create it.

The principle espoused seems sound though. Same as how to deal with any/all totalitarians. That being to keep speaking out and stopping their madness, or it gets worse and worse, where any and all atrocities are seen as necessary virtues. I'm not sure how sending them to echo chambers to go on festering ever worse, unchallenged, serves this necessary avenue of remedy.

Better the monster you can see. Better the Daryl Davis approach, proven to convert people out of monstrosity, than to try to out-monster the monsters. Not having a bigger hammer was not the problem with the hammer being the only tool in the toolbox.

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If they epose neo-nazi talking points (holocaust denial being a big one), they're probably questionable. Add onto that his regular jewish dog whistles (1, 2), he loves his over-simplified racist undertone statistics, anti-immgration, quasi-'white replacement theory' nonsense, or some race-related pseudoscience.

Man, its one thing to be arguing for slippery slope (which is literally a logical fallacy, meaning it shouldn't be used in an argument), but stonetoss either promotes, or genuinely believes a number of neo-nazi views. To me, thats enough that I dont think his comics should be cross posted here.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 4 days ago

Man, its one thing to be arguing for slippery slope (which is literally a logical fallacy, meaning it shouldn’t be used in an argument),

A slippery slope fallacy is a fallacy, but there are still slippery slopes that are not fallacious.

stonetoss either promotes, or genuinely believes a number of neo-nazi views. To me, thats enough that I dont think his comics should be cross posted here.

How might they be exposed to ideas to challenge their ideas and broaden their perspective? While exposure here may not offer a direct line, and may seem like more advantage to the spread of their ideas than them being exposed to ideas that challenge their ideas, it may at least expose more people to see their ideas, and, presumably, be of sound mind enough to not only not succumb to them, but perhaps go forth to offer counter-arguments and refutations and exposing fallacies and harms of their ideas.

[–] traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago

Yep sure. That’s what I said. :)

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Imagine dying so Nazis can say Nazi shit publicly. Kind of stupid.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

The problem is that downvotes do not work. They do not function as an incentive for these users to stop posting, because they do not matter at all.

It can work on larger platforms, where thousands, or even tens of thousands of people vote. There the users form roles based on how they sort the posts. People who sort by New are well aware that they are going to have to sift through a lot of trash, but their reward is that they get to have a more active role in setting the taste for the entire community. Because then you have people who sort by Hot or Active, which tends to be the majority of users in most communities (and is often the default). So in communities with dozens of posts, hundreds of comments, and thousands of votes every day, the things the community doesn't like gets buried.

The Fediverse is too small for that system to work. There simply is not enough posts, comments, and votes to make any of that meaningful. The same users can just spam the same authors over and over again, and it doesn't matter whether the post gets 100 upvotes or 100 dpwnvotes- the whole community is going to see it in their feed regardless. And it's not as if having negative "karma"really matters.

One of tbr systems Reddit had to combat this was that karma occasionally mattered. Some subreddits would require karma to join, or ban if your karma dropped. I'm not sure if the tools exist for something like that here or not. There are a lot of different t ways you can slice up the numbers, but basically looking at post history, ratios of up/down votes, total down votes, etc. Effectively letting community feedback drive the moderation process.

That's still not perfect because users can block/mute other users. Doing so would effectively be abstaining from voting, and that's not the healthiest system. But we shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Just for reference: this was the previous poll https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/58355506

and i want to say that it seems in no way "clear" to me that people overwhelmingly wanted comics by bigoted artists banned. i think you're mixing quite a lot of your own ideology into this post and projecting your views on the majority.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 157 points 1 week ago (4 children)

A blanket 'bigoted artists' rule is ripe for banning based on someone's entire history, like firing James Gunn for bad jokes in old tweets.

Instead I would prefer to ban individual artists based on their art. So I fully support banning Jago comics because all the ones I remember are based on anti LGBTQ+ or sexist stereotypes. Not because they are bigoted, but because their content is. No idea who stonetoss is, but if their content is similar then I would also favor banning them.

No purity tests though.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You'd almost certainly know a stonetoss comic, they were pretty common over the last decade or so.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/StoneToss

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 3 points 6 days ago

Oh yeah, I never liked those.

[–] DelightfullyDivisive@discuss.online 7 points 6 days ago

I initially chose not to weigh in because I find that people with differing opinions aren't always well-tolerated on Lemmy. I think you have a good, nuanced take.

I also thought it was very helpful that a few people called out example comics of what they meant by "bigoted" . I was going to express some concern that even mildly self-deprecating humor would be banned if it applied to lgbtq people. Based on those examples, though, I have to agree with the consensus. Jago and Stonetoss are just stupid in addition to being poor taste.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm fully for this. I'd rather have a clear ban list where every addition is thoroughly discussed.

Forcing mods to make constant judgement calls is though on them and might lead to arguments where they find themselves stuck in the middle.

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 102 points 1 week ago (54 children)

The argument of censorship is bullshit. If a comic is made to discriminate, it is basic decency to get rid of it. If an author makes themselves known by being discriminatory, no platform that cares about user safety and having a non-toxic community needs to get rid of them. It's as simple as that.

When you refuse that kind of "censorship", you are only making it clear that you like making this place unsafe for the people being attacked. Which makes you a piece of shit in my book.

So yeah, let's just ban these things that have no reason to exist, let alone on lemmy.

[–] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 44 points 1 week ago (14 children)

let them whine and cry about being "censored," canceled, banned, etc. everyone is free to say whatever they want, everyone is also free to take what someone says and throw it out the window.

the consistent widespread tolerance of intolerance is a huge reason the world is on fire right now

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[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was going to point out that comics like that should already be covered by the rules against discrimination... But reading the sidebar it doesn't look like we have rules like that. We have a full paragraph detailing how an exposed nipple should be tagged, but nothing saying "hey, don't be a homophobic sexist bigot". Probably worth adding something to the rules like:

Discrimination such as homophobia, transphobia, sexism and racism are not welcome here. This applies both in comments and posted comics. Likewise, artists who have a large history of posting discriminatory content such as Stonetoss and Jago are similarly not allowed here.

Nazi bars form by exploiting moderators who are too afraid to say no and actively kick out a culture of hate.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

I'd vote for that rule example you gave be added to the sidebar exactly as you wrote it

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hate should never be tolerated.

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[–] Bougie_Birdie@piefed.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I woke up this morning and there's three Stonetosses back to back in my feed.

If we could go ahead and throw them on the ban list, that would be pretty groovy

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I have no comment currently for what will happen regarding bigot artists, I'm not the top mod.

However, please stop making META posts when you made one about the same topic just a few days ago. If the comments on this get out of hand I will lock the thread for civilities sake. Please wait for us to make an announcement about such things, it may take some time.

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[–] P13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I preferred the simpler times where it was a simple downvote and move on. Those artists will probably get ratioed anyways and the posts will be sunk.

Witch-Hunt mentality is kinda a lame way to go about things.

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[–] jtrek@startrek.website 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The people who really want racist/sexist/etc comics are free to make their own instance or community. This is the fediverse. There's no government with guns or CEO to lock it down.

If that stuff makes for a better community, it will do just fine. I expect it won't.

One of the things right-wingers push for is the idea that they're normal and healthy, and everyone else is deficient. Like everything else from the right, it's projection.

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