No Lawns

For a supposedly Capitalist country, it's amazing that the US allows neighbours to decide themselves what others can or not do in their own land and force them to do it or not.

I'm thinking it's the bastard child of extreme aversion to having oversight institutions working for the common good, so instead of like in having Europe regional/country-wide rules which apply to everybody and are enforced by some oversight autority on what cannot be done in residential areas to avoid things like for example people operating poluting industries in residential areas, you get local groups with quite arbitrary power to decide what their neighbours can or cannot do, each local and with rules not at all consistent across the country (or at last a State).

It's a system incredibly open to abuse, especially by the kind of people we in my country call "small dictators" (the kind of people who, when they have some power over others, force them to do things purelly because they derive psychological enjoyment from imposing their will on others)

They should be called KOA’s Karen’s of America

I'm a way it seems bizarre that HOAs should be so broadly despised yet also broadly adopted. I suppose it has to do with the corners of the culture I sit in.

I had a thought the other day:

If your HOA sues you and YOU WIN, they (usually) have to pay your attorney fees in addition to their own.

But...you're part of the HOA. Your dues will go up to cover the costs of a stupid lawsuit that you beat.

Oh, shit, right, so I get to share something I learned fairly recently.

For much of human history, wealth could be measured many ways but by far the most powerful currency was land. Land meant resources, and the land's value was determined by what respirce it produced: fertile floodplains meant crops, lakes for fishing, forests for hunting, and, worst-case scenario, moorland could be used for grazing livestock. But what if that wasn't enough? What if you had huge tracts of land but your narcissism and insecurity were so overwhelming that you just needed to prove yourself even more?

Enter: lawns. Lawns are fields of grass, which is a useless crop that can only really be used for grazing. But the grass is kept so short that livestock can't graze on it. But grass like that can only be grown on plains that are ideal for crops, so you need to get rid of the crops. And short grass needs tending, tending with more care than any crop, so you need to have workers dedicated to it. That's what a lawn is: it's bragging, it's saying "not only do I have loads of top-quality land and an army of workers, I can afford to piss away huge swathes of it for absolutely no reason other than to prove that I can." It's hard to image a greater and more grotesque display of boujee excess than the lawn.

Of course, this is what makes the modern lawn all the more pathetic: that neatly parcelled-out vast tract of land you can afford to squander as a display of your immeasurable wealth is, like, a few meters across. It's like the Stamford apes experiment: they know what they must do, but not why they're doing it and, if they knew what a lawn really was and where it came from, I can't imagine many would be quite so attached. Then again, maybe they would be. Maybe they really do think their home is a castle and that they live in a kingdom they can walk around in thirty second.

Can we vote to ban HOAs?

Kinda funny how Americans call their country "land of the free" but can't even do certain things on THEIR OWN PROPERTY because of the HOAs.

Just ban the fucking HOAs

HOAs are the devil - even if I could afford property there's no house cheap enough to put up with one.

The pic is an island landlocked by fertilizer, pesticides, bug repellents, artificial lighting, etc.

It’s better than nothing.

HOAs are such a fascinatingly American thing. They seem to cause no end of annoyance for those living in them, and have few to no positive effects (at least, we don't hear about any positives), yet they persist.

Can those who are adversely affected not do anything about their local ones, or is it actually a case that they're not too bad for most people most of the time?

Maryland has HB232 which supersedes all HoA law and says any low impact landscaping / xeriscaping is permissible AND favored if it prioritizes native plants and fauna / pollinators.

The simplest thing to come of it is “you can’t force me to grow grass”

Wild you are accountable to strangers to this level.

What's the point of even having a yard if it looks like the ones in the picture? Why not just go live in an apartment then. To me, owning a piece of land to enjoy was kind of the key reason I wanted to own a house in the first place.

None of these laws ever get enforced.

You call them out on it a year later and they just say "I didn't know that. Never heard of that law" and then they just keep doing whatever they were doing.

Ironic, I thought America was the land of the free? lol

OP, this was introduced September 25, 2025 (you mention this), sponsored by 14 of the Pennsylvania House's 203 members (all Democratic in a split House), and its only action so far after introduction was to be referred to the Housing & Community Development Committee (read: nothing).

It's not dead per se, but it's made no progress whatsoever in six months, and the next session starts January 2027. This bill categorically is not evidence that it's "becoming law across America".

(Here's the bill on the official General Assembly website btw. I have no idea where Fast Democracy gets its summary you pasted here; an LLM?)

Hey who in US is leading a fight for mandatory 30 day minimal vacations a year and, nationalization of all seashores and guaranteed health care?
I want to join