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[–] albert_inkman@lemmy.world 2 points 43 minutes ago

This is actually fascinating from a discourse perspective. The RfC mentions that AI detectors are unreliable, which is the whole problem.

I work on mapping public opinion across thousands of responses using AI as a tool to find patterns, not to detect individual writers. The difference matters.

We can detect patterns across a corpus without needing to prove any single person wrote it. That scale of analysis is what lets us see where opinion clusters, not just label individual posts.

Wikipedia's ban is probably the right call for their use case. They need verifiable authorship for accountability. But we shouldn't conflate that with not being able to use AI for understanding large-scale discourse.

[–] SuperPengato@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 4 hours ago

Wikipedia has banned AI-generated text,

Smiling Gus

... with two exceptions

Glaring Gus

[–] amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

But how do they know it is ai written?

[–] infeeeee@lemmy.zip 320 points 19 hours ago (8 children)

Saved you a click:

After much debate, the new policy is in effect: Wikipedia authors are not allowed to use LLMs for generating or rewriting article content. There are two primary exceptions, though.

First, editors can use LLMs to suggest refinements to their own writing, as long as the edits are checked for accuracy. In other words, it’s being treated like any other grammar checker or writing assistance tool. The policy says, “ LLMs can go beyond what you ask of them and change the meaning of the text such that it is not supported by the sources cited.”

The second exemption for LLMs is with translation assistance. Editors can use AI tools for the first pass at translating text, but they still need to be fluent enough in both languages to catch errors. As with regular writing refinements, anyone using LLMs also has to check that incorrect information hasn’t been injected.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 hours ago

To save you another few clicks: this is the discussion (RfC) that implemented the changes, and the policy is linked at the top.

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 199 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

AIbros: we're creating God!!!

AI users: it can do translation & reformating pretty well but you got to check it's not chatting shit

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 70 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The takeaway from all LLM-based AI is the user needs to be smart enough to do whatever they're asking anyway. All output needs to be verified before being used or relied upon.

The "AI" is just streamlining the process to save time.

Relying on it otherwise is stupid and just proves instantly that you are incompetent.

[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

the user needs to be smart enough to do whatever they're asking anyway

I'm gonna say that's ideal but not quite necessary. What's needed is that the user is capable of properly verifying the output. Which anyone who could do it themselves definitely can, but it can be done more broadly. It's an easier skill to verify a result than it is to obtain that result. Think: how film critics don't necessarily need to be filmmakers, or the P=NP question in computer science.

[–] Pyro@programming.dev 9 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

But if the output has issues, what're you going to do, prompt it again? If you are only able to verify but not do the task, you cannot correct the AI's mistakes yourself.

[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

At the risk of sounding like an overly obsequious AI… You know what, you're completely right. I'm honestly not sure what use case I was imagining when I wrote that last comment.

[–] Redjard@reddthat.com 3 points 10 hours ago

Making text flow naturally, grouping and ordeeing information, good writing.

You can verify two textst have the same facts and information, yet one reads way better than the other. But writing a text that reads well is quite hard.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I can't draw, but I could probably photoshop out some minor issues in an AI-generated image.

[–] Redjard@reddthat.com 1 points 10 hours ago

If you don't habe the ability then you would do what you would have 5 years ago: not do it
Either submit without, or not submit at all.

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Fucking hate those anti human filth pushing slop into everything. I want to take one apart with power tools.

[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Damn that movie was funny. I need to rewatch it.

[–] onlyhalfminotaur@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

It holds up better than any movie from the late 90s that I can think of.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 15 hours ago

I don't think AI users would say it does reformatting either (if they're honest): If you tell a chatbot to reformat text without changing it, it will change the text, because it does not understand the concept of not changing text. It should only take one time for someone to get burned for them to learn that lesson.

Seems pretty reasonable to use it as a grammar checker. As long as it's not changing content, just form or readability, that seems like a pretty decent use for it, at least with a purely educational resource like Wikipedia.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago

Liar. I already read the article before opening the comments. YOU SAVED ME NOTHING.

;-)

[–] ji59@hilariouschaos.com 21 points 18 hours ago

So, it should be used reasonably, as it should have always been.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Wikipedia probably wants to sell access to LLMs to train. It’s only valuable if Wikipedia remains a high-quality, slop-free source.

I think even AI zealots think there should be silos of content to train from that are fully human generated. Training slop on slop makes the slop even worse.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Sell licenses of what? It's already all in the creative commons iirc.

[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 3 points 12 hours ago

The content is CC licensed, but they are trying to block AI scraping because it overloads their servers. They have a paid API that uses a lot less compute for both Wikipedia and the AI, as well as being a revenue source for Wikipedia.

[–] SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

AI already trains on Wikipedia.

https://commoncrawl.org/

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 8 points 15 hours ago

This was only done because the editors pushed to minimize AI involvement. There's a comment here already mentioning that: https://lemmy.world/comment/22826863

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 14 points 13 hours ago

W Wikipedia,would be better to remove the exceptions but its fine tbh.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 72 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

An extremely measured and level-headed response. Kudos to Wikipedia for maintaining high standards.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 98 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It has to be said, they originally changed their stance due to the considerable editor pushback when they tried to introduce LLM summaries on the top of articles. So kudos to the editor community's resistance! ✊

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 34 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Good point. The real strength of Wikipedia truly lies in the editors .

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Banned the people who openly admit it, anyway.

[–] aliser@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

there are ai detectors, although Im not sure about accuracy of those

[–] SunlessGameStudios@lemmy.world 40 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I know at least one writing major who won an award from his volunteer work at Wikipedia. He did it as a hobby. They don't really need AI, they need people like him.

[–] antonim@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

How do you win an award from editing Wikipedia?

[–] webp@mander.xyz 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Why do they need AI at all? Wikipedia had existed long before it and was doing fine.

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 26 points 18 hours ago

You could make that argument about any tool Wikipedia editors use. Why should they need spellcheck? They were typing words just fine before.

...except it just makes it easier to spot errors or get little suggestions on how you could reword something, and thus makes the whole process a little smoother.

It's not strictly necessary, but this could definitely be helpful to people for translation and proofreading. Doesn't have to be something people are wholly reliant on to still be beneficial to their ability to edit Wikipedia.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Why should we use (insert tool) when we did just fine before?

Because when used correctly it can be great for helping you be more productive, and find errors/make improvements. The two exceptions are for grammar which AI does a surprisingly good job with. Would you have gotten mad if they used Grammarly >5 years ago? Having it rewrite an entire article is gonna be a bad idea, but asking it to rephrase a sentence, or check your phrasing for potential issues is a much safer thing. Not everyone who speaks Spanish uses it the same way. Some words are innocuous in some regions, but offensive in others.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 7 points 17 hours ago (5 children)
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[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I hoped the exceptions would be like "Quoted example text of LLM output, when it's clearly labeled and styled separately from the article text."

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That exception probably would be twisted into permission to add an “AI summary” section to each article.

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Ugh. Yeah, it would have to be worded carefully, you're right

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

So in other words, when used responsibly as a tool with limitations, AI has it's uses? Though very environmentally unfriendly uses?

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