Everything is mixed up over there. If you're a patholic lier, they think you speak the truth. If you rape kids and hide the evidence they make you President...
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Conservatives don't lack common sense, they lack imagination and education about how things work in other countries.
They also swallowed the insurance company propaganda that countries with universal healthcare, have government death panels deciding who lives or dies, involuntary medical experiments, and months-years long waits for life saving treatments.
That's cute that they don't think insurance companies have "death panels." They run Healthcare like a business and have meetings to decide who qualifies for life saving operations.
It is always projection
Yes, the centrist position in the US is some people have to starve and die in order to keep minimum wage workers motivated to keep working. The left right divids in US Congress is over how many exactly should starve and die.
I was talking to a Polish friend about Polish politics. He said in Poland, like in the US, they had both conservative and liberal parties - but that the topics for debate were different. In Poland, the conservatives agreed with the liberals on things like healthcare funding, supporting higher education, and funding transit projects. All these things were non-issues in Polish politics.
"Well," says I, "Then I'm confused. If the conservatives and liberals agree on all those things, then what makes them different? What makes the conservatives, conservative?"
"Ah, you see," he says, "They're racist. That's the whole thing - they're just racist."
I'm convinced the reason the US doesn't have universal anything is because "but then the blacks would get it."
I watched a documentary about USA and there was a lady who said she didn’t want universal healthcare because she shouldn’t want to pay other people’s healthcare. As a European citizen I couldn’t understand the logic, are everyone in the USA so individual citizens that they only care about themselves, not anyone else?
Someone pointed out that with the current system of healthcare insurance, you are literally paying for other people's healthcare.
I have had that conversation with Americans on social media. I tried explaining to them paying a private insurance company does actually pay for other peoples healthcare, and that it is not banking money for your own care. They couldn't grasp the idea, and couldn't understand how a single system ( that is government funded ) ends up providing cheaper insurance because there is no profit and everyone pays into it.
Lack of critical thinking for many Americans.
That's honestly it. Right wing Americans don't want other people to get access to things. They think rights are a pie. If 'they' get a slice, I'll end up with less of it. Rather it's actually a bakery... You pay into it and you just get pie.
That's an interesting analogy I've never heard before. Thanks for sharing
Always has been
In the US "Conservative" means you worship billionaires and just do whatever the politicians that serve those billionaires tell you to do.
There is no difference here in Germany… 🥺
same people fund the propaganda outlets for all of em
As if anyone cares what they would be "in america" as a non-american. Human existence is not defined by the US perspective.
In Hungary, thanks to the utter incompetence of Ferenc Gyurcsány and the early adoption of alt media by the right, it was considered a "right wing" value to oppose mass privatization. When Fidesz won, they pulled a covert 360 on it, by letting the government to have a maximum of 25% share in select companies, but secretly continued the privatization project, especially if it involved giving the schools to churches.
That's because "conservative" isn't an ideology, and it never has been. Conservativism has two core beliefs: "conservatives" refers to a specific group of people defined by common traits, and those are the good people. Each tranche of conservatives defines their own identity, and then they define whatever they want as "conservative values."
This German guy on the train probably is very conservative. He is not more progressive than an American conservative. He has simply defined his group of conservatives to include the people who benefit from universal healthcare. He sees the value to his own group, and so he supports it.
They'd also be able to express how they believe an immigrant doesn't deserve healthcare. Either that they deserve the healthcare of their homecountry, or that they aren't a part of 'everyone', be that German, or otherwise.
Without any congitive dissonance.
Pretty sure they didn't have to "break the news" on that.
From our German view, the republicans are far right.
You mean democrats are far right in comparison?
Does anyone think Republicans aren't far right???
Neo Nazis think they are not far right enough.
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.