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[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 215 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

I’m not buying that heatmap data. Why are almost all the dots on the left red? That would mean that women pick a random spot and focus on that for an extended period of time before moving on to the next. This is not really how you’d investigate a scene. The right images are much more believable to me: Short glances at random points to get an overview of the scene and then re-investigating points of interest.

I am a man, though. Women: Do you really stare random points into oblivion?

Edit:

Ok, at first I thought this was actual eye tracking information. However,

[researches] asked [participants] to click on areas in the photo that caught their attention.

Then the different-colored dots make even less sense. And why are there fringes?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 165 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Considering how common and easy eye tracking is, this seems like some shitty science.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 65 points 1 week ago (5 children)

whaaaat surely BYU, the school that claimed to have done cold fusion, is an upstanding pillar of academic research

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[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This would be the perfect use case for that fancy Apple VR headset they released a year or two so. Since it has built-in eye tracking, it would be easy to set up a test in a controlled environment where participants navigate it while looking around.

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[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

Shitty science at BYU? Surely not!

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[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

[researches] asked [participants] to click on areas in the photo that caught their attention.

Then the different-colored dots make even less sense. And why are there fringes?

Seems like a seriously flawed study, doezn't it, asking people to point to what's interesting is NOT AT ALL the same as tracking their eyes.

We could actually track their eye movement by using special glasses. Just call your study what it actually is, ffs... don't confuse the data.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

...also, it has to do with attention on photos rather than real world going home experiences.

[–] III@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I’m not buying that heatmap data.

In the article they note that they participants were shown photos and told to click on areas that caught their attention. The results show that women paid more attention to the periphery. No eye tracking, no long focus.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (7 children)

As a woman, imagining situations like those: I can see the brightly lit center is empty, that's all I need to know about it. The stairs require several glances especially if I'm in heels or other unstable shoes. But those dark corners need checking and rechecking the whole time I'm walking, to be sure no tiny changes betray a lurker. Who is probably going to wait until they're at my back to make a move.

My mental image of the guys scanning the same image: "Yeah that's where I'm going, that's obviously where I'm looking." Sure, they could get mugged but it's less likely, and physical threat isn't on their mind.

[–] endless_nameless@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sure, they could get mugged but it’s less likely

This is completely untrue, men are (and always have been) the primary target of random violence such as mugging. According to FBI crime statistics it's hugely disproportional year after year. Women are disproportionately victimized by their intimate partners, both male and female. Both of these facts are beyond tragic but it is, in my opinion, really important to get these things straight. Women are more likely to scream for help when they are being robbed which leads them to being de-prioritized when violent criminals are choosing their targets. Men tend to submit, and are likely to avoid reporting it due to shame, so the disparity is probably significantly higher than the already gigantic reported disparity.

Hope you don't see this as me just trying to stir shit cause I'm not. It just really irks me to see that sentiment repeated even though it's entirely unsubstantiated. I'm a man of small stature and a minority. With awareness of the reality of the situation, the threat of physical violence is literally always on my mind. I've had a solid handful of random encounters in public that very nearly turned violent and it causes me pretty severe anxiety.

Don't know why I felt like typing a novel over this, like I said though I guess I just find it frustrating. I can't talk to my female friends about this, they just laugh at me. They talk about it like I'm wholly immune to violence by virtue of being male when it couldn't be further from the truth.

Edit with data from FBI crime data explorer: Over the last 10 years it's 906k male victims of robbery to 474k female victims, and (though it doesn't need to be said) that's just about double.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

they picked a location on campus widely known among the student body for people getting raped. i was warned as a freshman during orientation not to go there after dark.

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[–] callyral@pawb.social 122 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I look mostly at the ground to avoid stepping on dog poo.


Edit: looks like the study was not done using eye tracking and was instead done with pictures:

https://news.byu.edu/intellect/study-visually-captures-hard-truth-walking-home-at-night-is-not-the-same-for-women <- news thing

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/vio.2023.0027 <- paper

Participants were given 16 images and asked to consider walking alone through the place in the picture. Using the Qualtrics heat map tool, they were instructed to imagine themselves walking through these areas and to click on the area(s) of the image that stood out to the most to them.

Source: the research article paper I linked above


Also, even if it was done with some type of eye tracking glasses, if you knew you were taking part in a study, would you be worried about what might happen, in comparison to how worried you are normally? Like I'm not gonna be worried about someone sneaking up on me if I know I'm being observed and more likely to be safe, so naturally I'd be more relaxed. I imagine the same applies for other people.

[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 17 points 1 week ago

Yeah I’m a hard ground starer too. But def scanning periphery when not looking down. Especially at night when it’s most dangerous but I’ve always avoided going outside at night as much as possible.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 107 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Broad conclusions for a study conducted on a population of ~500 undergrad students at a single religious university in one city of one state of one country.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Based on reaction to images, clicking with a mouse where subjects looked

Could just as easily be a study on how different sexes respond to the same instruction

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 105 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

that location at BYU specifically is informally known as Rape Hill, so of course the women aren't looking straight ahead

i know i'm very glib and i joke a lot, but i'm deadly serious right now.

[–] VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Makes sense for the school that expels women for being assaulted. As if I needed another reason to hate BYU

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

i can give you good reasons or bad reasons i got them all. one of the worst mistakes i made was attending there.

[–] VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In your defense, there's a lot of social pressure to go to BYU within the Mormon church, and most high school kids don't have the experience and knowledge to navigate the official and unofficial propaganda. I just happened to luck out that my parents pushed me not to go to BYU

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

i like your parents

[–] Alvaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 77 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Noted. Attack men from the side, women from the front 😎

[–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 18 points 1 week ago

Doesn't the Jurassic Park power-restore scene align with this, too? Muldoon gets wrecked by a raptor on his side, while Ellie immediately notices/dodges the one that pokes through the wiring.

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[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like you should probably do this study again outside of BYU and more generally outside of Utah, Mormon culture especially Utah Mormon culture is weird and could definitely fuck with a study like this.

Though fun bit of personal experience with this exact scenario, my grandmother has better general visual awareness while my non visual awareness is a lot better overall. This means I subconsciously avoid things around me due to feel, sound, and smell but can be looking directly at something and not see it. Probably has something to do with the fact my eyesight is naturally fucked though, so my edge vision is basically useless for everything outside of movement since it's basically just a blurry blob.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm male but when I was a kid, my mom talked about stranger danger a lot and warned me about the supposed widespread kidnappings (was in China) and warned of "strangers following me home" I constantly just look around and glance back behind me every 30 seconds or so and check if someone is following me... and same thing when in the US too

This habit just stuck with me...

I probably look weird af lol

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I tend to turn it into a "casual sweep" of the scene. I'm looking at leaves, architecture, license plates! Well, and also getting a glimpse of whoever's around me. From being bullied in grade school, to learning to fly in college, with growing up as a young women between the two eras, situational awareness has become baked into my existence. But it's not a bad thing, it's a skill.

Tangentially, I wonder how much of this increased situational awareness plays into our famous "women's intuition"? If we're taking in more of our surroundings, it makes sense our unconscious minds will notice more readily when something's "off."

As well, I've often considered my "luck" to come down to increased awareness. When retrospectively thinking about a sequence of events, I can sometimes put together how noticing A led to me doing B, even if I didn't consciously think about it at the time. Like unconsciously noticing that a car in front of you is somewhat lopsided and getting the urge to switch lanes and pass them. You're not thinking about it. But later on when that car spins out on a flat tire, you're well past them - a safe distance away.

Or a situation that undoubtly makes people think I'm lucky - finding four-leaf clovers. A split-second scan of the ground and I can notice a four-leafer in a patch. Just a few months ago I was pumpkin-picking with my girlfriend and it happened again. We were standing outside and I was telling her about this exact phenomenon when I stopped, laughed, crouched down, plucked one particular clover, and handed it to her. "See?! It just happens!" I then proceeded to find two more, and at that point I knew I had to stop myself.

So yeah, it's not all bad. :)

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[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fun fact, that behaviour, which becomes more common among people living in areas with higher crime rates as a self-preservation technique, is viewed as suspicious behaviour by police, and is likely to get you tracked by security if you do it in a store.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

It also attracts the attention of people who are looking for an easy mark. Looking around nervously makes you look like a target in bad neighborhoods.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't trust Mormon findings until they are peer reviewed.

[–] butternuts@piefed.zip 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Until you learn the peers reviewing are more Mormons.

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[–] turdas@suppo.fi 36 points 1 week ago

“Why can’t we live in a world where women don’t have to think about these things? It’s heartbreaking to hear of things women close to me have dealt with,” Chaney said. “It would be nice to work towards a world where there is no difference between the heat maps in these sets of images. That is the hope of the public health discipline.”

I'm not convinced this phenomenon would disappear in a world where women don't have to think about these things. It could be an evolutionary psychology thing. Would have to repeat the experiment in different societies and environments to find out.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Really? I scan the environment too, even check for snipers.

[–] lb_o@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] arcine@jlai.lu 31 points 1 week ago

New proof that I am indeed a woman just dropped 💅🏻

Take that transphobes !

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Guess I'm a woman now. Thanks PTSD. Didn't even get the boobs.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Even if this was a conclusive study (sounds like there’s some issues there with selection and methodology,)….

This is probably because women are more likely to be harassed/assaulted/raped/mugged/etc.

Other vulnerable groups (trans, immigrants, etc) are probably are also scanning and maintaining better situational awareness.

It’d be nice to be able to walk down a street without making other people uncomfortable because men in general are less assholish than bears.

It’d be nice to be able to walk down a street without making other people uncomfortable because men in general are less assholish than bears.

A part of it is large numbers bias. Very few people encounter bears, so very few people experience bear attacks. Even if every bear was predisposed to attacking people, there would still be very few bear attacks. But virtually everyone encounters men on a near daily basis. So even if the likelihood of an attack is extremely low on a case-by-case basis, the overall number of incidents is much higher simply because there are more cases of people encountering men.

That’s why the go-to response to “it’s not every man” essentially boils down to “sure, it’s not every man. But it’s enough of them…”

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As a somewhat paranoid person, you better believe I ain't looking just straight ahead, even as a man. You never know who is nearby, waiting to confront you for any reason.

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[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago

🩵🩷🤍🩷🩵

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago
[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago

I wouldn't be looking at any of that, where's the smartphone showing dumb memes?

[–] redknight942@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Alright yall, experiment time.

Go bird watching. Or squirrels. Something hard to spot that moves quickly.

Scan the treeline, or instead fixate on a point straight ahead. Do what comes naturally first, then the opposite. What method "spots" the motion first?

See what method works better for you. Hope it helps!

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, a man who scanned the periphery would come across as shifty (“what’s he looking for? is he some kind of voyeur or predator? he’s not staring at that girl’s tits, is he, the creep?”), so looking straight ahead is kind of like keeping one’s hands where everyone can see them. Though granted the absence of likely threats would also have an influence.

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[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Men are better at detecting motion. I would bet men are better at detecting motion in their perephiral vision too.

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