Basically my financial situation is:
Me work.
Me get paid.
Banana purchase.
Repeat.
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The worst part is that I love math and numbers...just hate money and having to worry about it.
Who needs budgets when you have terrible anxiety about spending money
God no. I got in so much debt with ADHD and no budget. Finding YNAB saved my ass and allowed me to buy a house right before it became impossible to do so. Now I won't pay YNABs insane prices but I still use the same methods.
But obviously I have ADHD so I've had to restart that budget many many times. I've forgotten about it multiple times over the last 13 years. But I'm finally consistent with it. I check it when I'm going to make a big purchase, I know my general what I need weekly, and I fully review it every pay day (or you know, 2 days later shhh).
every two years I try to do spending analysis and load up ynab again (the original desktop version)
it lasts shorter every time I do it, and I just revert back to "okay I make about this much, these are my bills and savings that automatically transfer/pay, so I should be able to spend around x amount" and then just keeping an eye on minimum balances. I just can't do all the work categorizing spending like I just don't really care where I'm spending money, as long as it's within reason
Buckets has a similar vibe to ynab, but less demanding in that regard. You can do it if you want, but it can be a pretty basic envelope system too.
I have a math brain; I do not, however, have a brain that can make plans or follow them consistently
Theres loads of ways to manage your spending without a budget, more effective for most people too.
A good budget won't tell you how not to spend your money, it should tell you how you can spend your money.
People hear the word budget and think it means tightening the belt and cutting back but that doesn't have to be the case. Your income doesn't change when you go on a budget so all you're gaining is clarity as to where your money is going.
there's no point to a budget if you minimize all costs anyways, and it means i get a surprise amount left over at the end of every month which i can do whatever i want with.
Which is usually just letting it pile up because i don't know if my welfare will be denied at some point and having that buffer means i can afford to replace things every now and then.
You don't need a budget, just a crippling sense of guilt about spending money on anything other than the absolute essentials...
I don't think I even check my account enough. My coworkers look at me in horror when I tell them that I just sort of eyeball the bank account every now and then to see that the approximate amount was put in.
...and, honestly? Fuck their thinking anyway. I know they aren't breaking out calculator, pen&paper, or even chatfuckpt to ensure the pennies are exactly matching. Knowing that I can spend $5 once a month on a game, or pay for a prescription, isn't exactly hard. I just always keep way under what any budget would tell me anyway. I don't need a budget to tell me how much to put away for retirement, that shit is going the way of the dodo here soon.
That's a good way of describing my system. I put the bills on auto pay and stop spending when it runs out.
My budget has been "don't spend too much" for the last 10 years and it's worked out wonderfully. You don't need a clever laid out plan, you just need to ask yourself "how can I spend even less ?"
Cancel every subscription immediately unless you actually need it. Pirate everything. Get everything on sale or thrift it. Either buy the cheapest thing you can, or spend enough to buy the indestructible version you'll keep for 15-20 years. Fix problems immediately for cheap before they get expensive.
As a result I'm still managing to save up money while my income is under 10K a year.
For tools you need it is so important to keep in mind that if:
you definitely need it only once - get the cheap one.
you will use it in the future - get the expensive one that laborers use.
Cheap tools are a money and a time sink
What does "official budget" mean? Serious question, what else are you supposed to do other than check your account every once in a while*?
* (and by that I mean get notifications from your bank if there's any movement)
Some people use apps or spreadsheets to have a very structured budget. I am not one of them. I have a concept of a budget.
You can even predict more or less how much you're going to spend by your expenses history, but configuring the formula for that on a spreadsheet, or at least figuring it out, is a major pain. But once done, helps a lot. =D
I use a spreadsheet. Mainly so I can see where my money is going/how much I need to get paid to continue not being homeless.
To be very fair though this isn't a skill I learned so much as one that was forced on me by the military before they'd let me "adult". By adult I mean live on my own.
In control enough of your finances enough to know about how much you spend on food, fun, and other living expenses, as well as awareness of how much you have (or dont have) available for spur of the moment things like bar trips or whatever on a paycheckly basis.
Bonus points for saving for plans for this year, to include that concert you wanted to see. Bonus bonus points for having some sort of plan for retirement beyond social security and walmart greeter.
I have an excel sheet with basic things like my income, rent, other monthly items, and rough estimates for things like groceries or regular hobbies. Then I look at what's left over and use that as a reference point. I definitely don't keep a very strict budget, and you vould argue it doesn't fit the bill for an "official budget", but it's worked well enough for me so far
Also my banking app has some basic budgetary info, so I can look at my monthly spending and such
I’m a mathematician. My math brain shuts off when the units are in currency.
I'm frugal by nature. For most of my life I've always had enough savings to buy almost anything I want. Whenever I get a "bonus" from somewhere, I'm not even tempted to go on a spending spree - it doesn't enable me to buy anything I couldn't have already bought anyway. I'm way more excited about seeing the value of my investments go up than I would be about a new iPhone or whatever.
I live in an old house, wear old clothes, drive an old truck, never travel, never eat out, etc. I guess I just value different things than some other people. I'd rather be financially secure and look poor than the other way around.
I feel like there's a certain minimum income level/social safety net you need to have to be able to live like this. Like at some point the desire to keep having food/shelter becomes enough of a motivating factor that you have to work out what you need to do.
I dont keep a budget. But my algorithm is basically dont buy anything except food.
Same. If I have to buy anything else, I check my account first. And I use cash a lot and always check my account before withdrawing.
I squeeze pennies so hard they need therapy and always have. I remember loaning money to my older siblings to buy game systems and fund dates.
Ever since I saw a documentary on the great depression and spoke to my grandmother about what it was like to live through it I started noticing that we as a country we're not doing so great. I've been working and saving most of my money since I was in first grade, but by middle school I just decided to abstain from almost every kind of expense I could.
I've never struggled financially but that's because I learned that you don't need to buy much stuff if you make your own, can live on less, and have a pervasive crippling anxiety about the collapse of western civilization.
So yeah I've been running on the vibe "The Great depression is coming again and there's no way I can save enough to be prepared"
This has earned me a meager modest lifestyle, but my family eats very well, has a clean home, and has plenty of modern luxuries and toys even if some of them might be a bit worn, rough around the edges, or unfashionable.
I didn't have to learn to live on lentils but I did have to give up on things my parents found very accessible like restaurants, travel, new things, packaged food, college, free time, bars, weekends, my own room, cars, movie theaters, most museums and non-critical medical care.
So yeah, I guess compared to my peers I'm crushing it because in all of my frugality I managed to avoid racking up six figures of college debt! I'll never own a house though.
There’s a psychological horror game I play. Occasional jumpscare, but mostly just slow building dread.
It’s called You Need a Budget 4.
(None of that modern YNAB shit, this one’s old school and out of support. I’m not paying a subscription to manage my cash.)
I never had an official budget. I knew how much I made and made sure I spent significantly less than that.
I spent late 20s and early 30s living on 25k a year. I now make 4x that, I still live like I make 25k. My budget plan is to live like I'm pore
live like I'm pore
soaking in lots of moisturising creams then i assume?
I do have a math brain, which is why I can get by on vibes.
I can't imagine how people could be so precise & rigid with their own personal liquid finances. It's all about vibes for me. Always has been.
That's me. It's simple. You live a cheap life with a good career
I pretented I just had less money than i actually had.
Studies and unemployment have coached me to use money minimally in daily life. As a result I can afford some pricy things with still modest means.
Long time ago I had the benefit of spending a couple years in banking. Bankers have a very different attitude about money than most people since for a bank, money is the "product."
The most valuable thing I learned from that experience was that in order to be in control of my finances, I had to have a clear understanding of what my money is "doing." Just being able to get that insight has been enough to keep me relatively on top of my book keeping.
Dunno official budget, but miserable school system + potential ADHD or autism + some a bit more expensive hobbies forced me to learn by myself a sufficient amount of budget contingency/management.
I don't budget, would never be able.to follow it. Just good enough at being able to spend less than I make to the point I have a house.
I only really started not living paycheck around 1 year ago, and started investing last year at 33.
I think generally being in a bad mood about the state of the world makes you not wanna care about that stuff.
But now I do, and I am doing my stuff, but I don't really have a budget, but have a spending pot for spending on whatever and I only buy necessities that are useful my life as I don't care for physical things.
Better to buy experiences with money
Iol, is it supposed to be done in any other way than vibes?
I'm 45 and I've spent more time on my diet (in the form of sodium and calorie budget(s)) than any sort of financial budget.
That said, my vices are relatively inexpensive, my jobs have generally paid very well, and I do check my various accounts without being prompted.
I think personal budgets (including my dieting) are best thought of as attempts to solve specific problems, not some sort of mandatory / expected behavior.
If you are getting dinged with overdraft fees or CC interest etc., a budget might get you to a better place than you are on "just vibes".
At what age are we supposed to stop doing this?
I've never made a set amount of money, so I've never really budgeted. I know how much I need to survive month to month, I keep a buffer in a checking account, a large bugger in a HYSA, and then I kinda just do. I've been 1099 my entire adult life and so I've had months where I'm flush and months where I'm scraping by. I'm a little older now so it's less of her scraping by fortunately.
I frequently check my bank account and use vibes to largely take care of my finances. It isn't completely optimized or strict, but it works since my bills are predictable.
Putting longer term savings into CDs is something I've found to be helpful. I can get to the money if an emergency came up, but otherwise I treat that as my untouchable savings, so i get some artificial scarcity in the mix.