the thing 1984 got wrong is that people are willingly buying their own (multiple) telescreens and happily submitting their entire life to the party
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We didn't see how we got to 1984. We just see one person living with consequences of what society has become. We're building our own 1984 right now!
As a working dad with kids, I like my doorbell cam. My self hosted, non-cloud, local only doorbell cam that is.
My f’ing camera feeds are mine.
But what if some stranger loses their dog? You could have helped, but NOoOOOOooooo you had to be selfish with your privacy you MONSTER.
Correct. My database of my neighbors faces and biometric data are MINE. I am its rightful guardian
Got any tips on a good model to get? I want one that i can access remotely via my phone. I have to relevant tools to make it remotely accessible but the cameras need to be able to speak to my software. I have a raspberry pi that i can use as a server.
Well, cross the wrong street once and now you're in somebody else's neatly AI analyzed, uploaded to remote corporate servers and then handed to the government camera feeds...
The world is a joke. Everyone is "entitled" to their privacy, but it isn't massively illegal to just have a camera running somewhere 24/7 or even recording in public with a phone.
Unfortunately most people just don't fucking care, or even consider it an issue.
Someone in my local HA community proudly shared how they had been able to use AWS face recognition with their own cams so they didn't need to run face recognition locally...fucking absurd to experience someone tech-savvy willingly hand over these things and recommending others to do it too.
They are starting to care, Amazon got a huge wakeup call when they dropped the creepy Milo ad and people destroyed their products. But now they know the line and will slowly creep past it instead of plowing past. We just need to keep pressure on the wound to stop the bleeding, we have made some great victories against AI in the last few months.
Yeah it's weird they decided to advertise it. They've realized that was their mistake.
Like it was a joke subplot in succession, where they had to change their tagline away from "we hear you" because they were actually listening.
The Machiavellian part of me thinks Ring screwed up by not raising the stakes. Search Party and the way they advertised it makes you go "awww' when you see the golden retriever and then "wait, WHAT?" when they show all their Ring doorbells going full surveillance mode in locating the missing dog.
A lengthier ad showing a pedophile being tracked down and arrested by law enforcement mid-abduction, their victim rescued, then the nonce being served justice may have had a more positive response.
I mean, "think of the children" has been the perfect strawman argument to justify mass surveillance, after all...
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Don't forget Amazon and Google also have smart speakers with microphones....
Big Brother doesn't just watch, he listens too.
I'm not allowed to have a smart speaker of any kind in my home office (work from home requirement), but especially Alexa. All my homies are required to hate Amazon.
What "global backlash"?
If there had been such a thing European citizens and companies would have not have spent the next decade putting their data in America's hands and now be scrambling to decouple as American goes from Hard Neoliberal At Home Fascist Abroad to Full-on Fascist Everywhere.
For people paying attention back then it was painfully obvious back then that one could not trust one's data in the hands of American companies or in fact any companies from a 4-eyes (meanwhile expanded to 7-eyes) country and yet the rush for putting personal and corporate data in American cloud systems were insane (not helped by the EU approving the US as a "safe haven" for data, something so outrageous after the the Snowden Revelations that I bet a lot of people involved were either customers of Epstein's "services" or corrupt as fuck).
In fact, that massive surveillance cooperative operation expanding from 4 countries to 7 is also a pretty good indication that there wasn't really a "global backlash", otherwise countries like New Zeeland would be wary of joining it as it would get them cut out of international data networks and agreements.
Only countries like China seem to have taken the whole thing seriously and setup their own local stack of consumer and corporate data sharing and storing, and that seems to have been driven at least partly by wanting to do exactly the same as the 4-eyes countries were doing.
As if this hadn't been obvious the very moment they started connecting their massive amount of same model cameras to servers under their own regime (aka " the cloud"). And as if nobody told you so.
Still, the more idiots that learn, the more of a chance we have at some sort of pushback or perhaps a slowing of it, maybe.
It is fascinating to me that the FBI desperately wanting to pretend that they're relevant and doing actual investigative work in the Guthrie case stupidly confirmed that corporations are not only spying on us all, but feeding the data into federal databases for access without a warrant or any meaningful oversight.
Y'all, it's wild that so much of what your dumbass, Infowars-obsessed grandparents told you is literally true and provable now.
A few people have said it, but I'm really glad my tech is always a few generations behind and I never bought into voice assistants or smart home technology. And I keep my phone in a faraday bag when not in use. That probably makes it somewhat harder for them to spy on me logistically.
My dad rips his name out of junk mail and shreds it. He doesn't want his name tied to his address, which is ironic in the first place, given that he's already getting junk mail. He's been worried about hiding his identity, address, cars, etc from some unknown surveillance entity based around Red Scare beliefs. Still, a few steps short of foil hat types.
Then he went and got cloud-based cameras. He's clueless about smartphone privacy already. He resembles his friends in his cohort. They protested "leftist government surveillance" and then showed me that they'd will invite mystery surveillance in with the slightest promise of convenience.
Sometimes stuff like this makes me at least a tiny bit happy to be living in a 3rd world shithole where the country isnt seen as prime-quality consumer habitat.
The contradictions in the US are crazy.
We're living in this enormous Panopticon - a massive digital fishbowl - for tracking and harassing and arresting lawful citizens. But you can kidnap an Olympics announcer's mom, live on camera, and no one can find you. No one can catch you. Even as Ring runs "Find My Dog With AI" commercials during the Super Bowl.
Don’t have to force surveillance on people. They’ll literally pay money for it.
A state that should have been obvious to everyone FFS. The cameras are pointed at neighbourhoods, the audio is poly directional, which includes inside the home, and are hooked up to wifi to transmit the data. We have facial recognition, speech recognition, even gait recognition, AI object identification, license plate readers, audio filtering, all automated and analysed for review and every smart device has cameras and microphones.
Yall are fucking morons for embracing all this shit and normalizing a surveillance state that none of us have any control of and doesn't benefit society at all. It's been a slow moving car accident for 20 years that the masses are too fucking stupid and too arrogant to see until the wreck happens.
Yall are fucking morons
I don't think you're insulting the right audience here.
Yeah, we're the people who've been sounding the alarm for 20+ years. I'm tired boss
I swear the friendly future I had hoped of as a kid in the 80s/90s was either all propaganda, hijacked, or we actually did end up in an alternate timeline of pure fuckery.
This is not the future I evangelized.
And yeah, those of us who grew up through it have seen the horrific turn of things have taken from potential world changing awesome humanity, to absolute evil.
I mean that in the general sense, to society at large.
I don't use anything cloud based and much of my shit isn't even allowed out to the internet.
It's a drop in the ocean, for too many say "But it's sooooo convenient and I've got nothing to hide" and open up all they got. Share camera's with amazon, email address book with facebook etc. not realizing nor caring I make an appearance in their instances too and I DO mind.
I was looking for a new TV last month, the salesman said it was "sacrilege" when I told him I had no intention of connecting the TV to the internet or using its online functions since I will have a media PC connected to it. I was just interested in the quality of the screen.
I had to revert the firmware on a TV because it effectively bricked itself when the software was no longer supported. I don’t connect these things to the Internet. They will simply display what I tell them to.
What a twat
“I don’t have anything to hide” is such an insidious little lie. A colloquial fib we feel compelled to utter as a mock defense, like asserting innocence will assuage suspicion.
We all have something to hide. Probably many, many things to hide. Even just in the narrow context of the law, there are hundreds of thousands of laws that apply to any one of us at any given time, and you are almost certainly breaking some of them without even knowing it.
Personal security through privacy is so very, very important. I wish more people could see that.
In a little town in the Netherlands life was good. The planning committee actually had smart people who made sure to plan the town according to the people’s needs. Kosher butchers, for instance, were placed near Jewish community centers. They could do that because the town had kept records on who lived where, including the people’s religion. It really was a utopia.
Then the nazis invaded, got their hands on those registries, and with utmost efficiency cleared the town of all jews.
I don’t know if this story is true. I read it (probably much better worded) a few years ago. But it honestly doesn’t matter if it’s true.
When I was a kid in the 90s, there used to small fringe groups talking about global warming and everyone else rolled their eyes. Now when it's too late, people have started caring.
Privacy, security and anonymity are at that place now. Anyone talking about how fucked up it is that even your TV and fridge is mining all the data it can, is considered to be a fringe alarmist. People are going to wait till the world is on fire before taking this seriously. There was an uproar when WhatsApp changed its terms of service a couple of years ago and that died down and nothing changed. The uproar from this (and Discord) will also die down and nothing will change. Maybe one day people will see this as relevant to their lives and take it seriously.
I loved that ad, it instantly brought the point I've been making for years home to the whole Super Bowl party.
That's why I only buy Chinese.
Even if they surveill they have no reason to hurt me
And you're absolutely certain they don't sell the data back to US brokers or even authorities directly?
What's with that crude 2x4 protection assembly? You're setting up a permanent camera fixture, and THAT'S what you use for protection? What's it for, a junkyard? You couldn't paint it, at least?
Planned Obsolescence, baby! You don't make money running the Panopticon if your clients aren't constantly paying 10x the asking price to endlessly repair and replace your shitty TEMU knock-off surveillance kits.
The spread of 5G, Data Centers and fiber optic connections directly to home will make everything move faster for Big Bro! The homes in the true 1st World countries received fiber optic connections long ago, while the US continues to fail.
Blame capitalism
The thing with privacy is nobody thinks about it until they need it, then it's too late.
First they sell the fear, then they sell the "solution". Poor on poor crime is down to record lows. What's up is government crime on poors, that has skyrocketed.
All these cameras do for the people who paid for them is provide a memento of the thing being stolen from the front yard. If you think you're going to show the video to a cop, and they're going to say, "Hey! I know that guy!", and then run off and retrieve your truck that's too big to fit in your garage, you are sorely mistaken.
Also, if you install these things inside your house, you can bet dollars to donuts that someone is gooning to your antics. I mean, besides your dad.
We need legislation with teeth before they manage to get this in every house. It's going to happen. Your phone, TV, doorbell, car, crosswalks and street signs are all going to be recording and tracking you eventually. Just recognize that's going to happen no matter what, and get real oversight and rules into place now. If we wait until it's all locked, the ruling party will never let it end.
We need legislation with teeth
He said, while living under a dictatorship.
Just wanted to point out one oddly written passage:
Numerous media outlets sounded the alarm. The online privacy group Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) condemned Ring’s program …
Many private citizens who previously used Ring also reacted negatively. “Viral videos online show people removing or destroying their cameras over privacy concerns,” reported USA Today
I was hoping to see that this story had gone national and wasn’t just a buzz in privacy centric circles, so my ears pricked up when they said “numerous media outlets.” But then the example they gave was a quote from was EFF, which I would not exactly call a “media outlet.”
Below they go on to say that “private citizens” also cried out, and then they use a quote from a USA Today article. USA Today - now that’s a media outlet. 🤷♂️
Next they say that even scum sucker fish are against all this, using a quote from JD Vance to back it up, and that part was all right.
most of whats being funneled into palintir to look for any threats against the right wing regime, simple as that, or anything that threatens the old guard DNC too.
Frigate with a cheap "AI" accelerator (running visual models) FTW!