you're a bit confused what it will mean to the conflict if trump gets in again, not only will the united states support dissapear (of which it's been over 75% of everything, cash, loans and arms, ukraine has gotten so far), it is the worlds only superpower. with the us under trump again, he will actively stymie ukraines abilities to receive support, with china on russia's side, there's nothing europe is going to be able to do, the only thing europe can do at that point, is hope vlad stops at ukraine. europe will write ukraine off as a business expense, and hunker down.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

40-45% not 75% source

And if europe actually gets their act together they can stop russia in Ukraine. They have to revitalise their arms industry, be more generous with ukraine aid, and use their intelligence agencies to aid the AUF. And it’s vital we counter Putin’s social media information wars so his far right parties don’t win more elections across europe.

If you look at aid per GDP, Spain, Italy and to a lesser extent France and Germany are the EU countries that need to step up to help fill a possible gap caused by Trump.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hopefully north korean shenanigans can convince South Korea to give significant military aid, and Japan’s new more centrist parliament will have more will to help Ukraine than it’s previous more right wing one. After all, Japan is still the fourth largest economy on earth.

Anyways what I’m saying, is if Trump is elected, it’s no reason to give up on Ukraine. It means we all need to try harder.

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

If I was SK, I would be concerned about what Putin gave NK for the troops.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SK is already working on it, but there's a law about not providing weapons to countries at war they need to bypass

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Switzerland has a similar law. But since a far-right pro-“peace” (that means pro-putin) party is our largest party, we’ve hit an unfortunate roadblock. It really sucks because we have so much equipment rotting away we clearly could give to help ukraine.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Europe also has the frightening option to attempt to trigger article 5 before January, and make the US choose whether to honor the commitment or leave Europe. It sounds nuts, but if you know you have yo fight russia eventually, it’s bold but could work.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

I doubt Russia will attack a NATO member.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well Zelensky was very clear about there being two paths. I welcome the world's newest member of the nuclear weapons club.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really hope it doesn't come to that as escalation will be fast, but if they keep being strung along and not being given means to end the war there might not be another choice =(

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or Russia decides eating a nuke isn't worth it because they know what launching a nuke from Russia would mean.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Very possible, but putins crazy.

I don't know how Ukraine would convince Russia the threat is real without at least a test detonation somewhere and that's better than bombing someone, but also not ideal.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

He's not crazy, he's a cold, calculating sociopath.

He wants people to think he's crazy when it comes to nukes because that makes his empty threats seem scary.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's true, but it was always going to be a tight line to walk to get out from under a Russian invasion without going the Afghanistan route.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Putin smiles as he has more leverage to disrupt the free world.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vlad is waiting until Trump gets back into the White House, then Ukraine is finished.

[–] paladin3494@feddit.dk 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this rate it seems to not matter much if Europe doesn’t finally grow up. I say this as a European.