Nah, I would love if the US was actually a thriving, just, compassionate, and educated nation that used their power for good in the world. That would be much better than a US collapse.
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Same but i don't think that's compatible with the current design. I'm not a collapsvocate, btw.
the issue is americans at large don't want that. they don't vote for it and they tend to hate any candidate that supports those things.
Americans very much love the struggle bus they create for themselves. it's part of our cultural mythology. so much so that even those at the tippy top will love to tell you about how their life is a struggle of heroic overcoming of the difficult upbringing of only having mere millionaire parents.
That and the whole billions dying as a result of US collapse isn't great either.
Yeah and I'd love if the ingredients in my fridge became a fully cooked meal instantly
Unfortunately sometimes you need an intermediate step... May not be easy or pretty.
I wish it could be so, though.
In this analogy nobody is making food though, just unplugging the fridge.
But then it wouldn't be
. It would be something else. And
would have to go the way of the dinosaur for that to happen.
That's the opposite of a collapse. We call that a prolapse.
Me too, but I also believe that collapse is a fundamental part of the natural cycles that govern everything in the universe. It’s hubris to think humans can exempt themselves from this natural system, and the belief that we can is a large driver of why we find ourselves here.
We can’t just skip collapse, nor can avoid it. Embrace its coming and celebrate what will grow from it.
It would, but as usual things have to get much worse before they get better.
Feel like I’m handcuffed to someone deliberately trying to drown themselves.
this is what republicans do every time they're in power, they're predatory disaster capitalists...create targeted disruption/general chaos to generate "volatility/liquidity" insiders can make a killing on.
then establishment dems come in and do the same thing, but they atleast want to keep up veneer of stability and (absolute minimal) progress.
this cycle has repeated itself many times now
Hmmm collapse of country with enough nukes to blow up planet several times. What could go wrong?
The USSR collapsed with a large amount of nukes.
The USSR has about twice a many nukes in 1991 as the entire world has today.
nothing, because people who hope for this also think when it happens they will be the action hero that saves everyone else.
they tend to lack the understanding of complex institutional systems that safeguard things like nuclear weapons, because they basically hate/blame them for their own unhappiness with their lives.
Only the sick fanatic nuts of the shitraeli genocide entity would use them.
Well its the remnants of america. The same folks that cook bacon with guns. These are not the sane folks
now's the time to get really active in your immediate local community, figuring out a barter system & pooling resources so everyone will be okay during a collapse.
if you live near fairly conservative people, try starting it off with making a local directory of small businesses & trades, so people can support them. that's a great starting point for getting to know who has what skills in your local area.
then after a while, you can try expanding that to making a local directory of resources and/or tools, and frame it as a way of sticking it to bigger businesses. "why should everyone buy their own separate lawnmower when people can borrow mine & the few others already in people's garages? we win, walmart loses!"
Dumbass accelerationists are probably responsible for this mess.
For fascists being fascists or for feckless liberals' complete inability to stop them?
The collapse of US hegemony is good for everyone
*everyone except for a few dozen people throughout the entire world.
Yeah but those few dozen people are more important than everyone else /s
Nah, not really. A different (not necessarily better or worse, just different) world hegemony will just emerge
Aslo the transition gonna be painful (see: yugoslav war)
Yeah it's kinda hard for the US to collapse. There's redundancy in the government. Even if the feds lose control there's the state government. Seems like economic collapse would have to happen for collapse of anything else
Well, they're trying the economic angle too believe me
yeah that's true. I know the government has set up so banks get cheap loans from the reserve so that banks can determine who gets loans and who doesn't. that seemingly has screwing over more and more people... seems like the population has to be more proactive about collapse or reform of America
Middle class 14 year old leftists and self-hating third worldists try not to jerk off at the thought of proles in the west dying challenge (impossible)
Careful what you wish for.
There be crooks wishing the same.
Ready with their next, worse, rigged game.
It's like that drop at the edge of the window sill. You know it's gonna eventually fall but for some reason it just keeps hanging on.
Yes! Noe that its collapsing, surely someone will sell me their house for $300! So they can buy someone else's house for $300?
How's that gonna work?
It cannot. The housing market needs houses that are affordable without ripping people off. I propose that corporations be given "tokens" in exchange for forcibly removing their ownership from all the houses they own.
By collapsing the housing market, the price for housing would also collapse.
It'll get nuked before it collapses, and the world will go down with it.