Progressive Politics

Was anybody at all saying that this was all the result of sloppy training under Trump?

The Lincoln Project, for starters. Hakeem Jeffries got on the "they just need more training" bandwagon recently. Lots of Op-Eds about how "Abolish ICE isn't helping" have said this

All policing in the US needs to be torn apart and rebuilt.

Preach it

Policing in general in the USA needs reform. You've got most officers training to use their gun first and ask questions later, like they are at war with the citizens in their jurisdictions. Sometimes that might be necessary, but mostly not. I get the job can be dangerous, but they signed up for it. If the only tool you give them is a hammer, everything becomes a nail.

I think an argument could be made that the agencies' rottenness hadn't mattered, that prior to 2025 they would have been this disastrous, but were never broadly deployed in a way where it had such dire consequences as now.

The 2018 migrant detention centers.

Apparently people thought this was where "illegal immigrants" stayed when in reality it was asylum seekers.

Yup. The only difference here is the number of cameras and the social status of the victims.

If it wasn't Trump, it would be somebody else similar.

Some guy like him accelerating the speed of collapse is pretty standard at this stage of the Rise & Fall cycle of Empire (of which the US is most definitely in the Fall stage and has been since maybe all the way back in the late 70s).

The whole "elite pillaging" stage of the last couple of decades in an extremelly nationalist nation with a massive myth of national greatness was bound to deliver a populist strongman that promised to "restore the greatness of the nation".

Maybe you'll be lucky and avoid the whole "overextending itself in a war against multiple enemies / a peer level enemy" kind of thing that also often happens at this stage.

Yea we bitched about him too. Unlike you cult followers.

Obama was in office for 8 years. So that is 6-7people a year. There are stuff like heart attacks and so forth, which are not exactly the fault of ICE.

Last year 30 people died in ICE custody and until January 9th 4 people died. So 2026 is already at the level of Obamas average for an entire year.

Point being? The post is about the agency being rotten yes.

And double the deportations of Trump 1, still way less than Genocide Joe.
That whole country is rotten from top to bottom

Why do you think people ran when people mentioned "la migra"?

Because they didn't want to be arrested?

people turned that fear into a joke

That's a pretty common way of coping with trauma so I'm not sure what your point is. It doesn't lessen how fucked up it is, it just makes reality less scary so you can deal with it.

I think the women warned about these types of men during me too and the black community warned us during Black Lives Matter. These types of men have always been the biggest danger to good people