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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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ALLIES

!abolition@slrpnk.net

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r/ACAB

r/BadCopNoDonut/

Randy Balko

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Identity Project

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 164 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is exactly what the NRA told us for decades would happen under Democrats.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But this is happening to immigrants and people of color; not white, hetero conservative Christians. So it's completely fine. /s

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure the /s is really even necessary at this point right? That's exactly what supporters of this are saying over and over. I guess all it's missing of course is that every single person that's not a US citizen (or the right kind of us citizen) is a violent criminal rapist, murderer, and pedophile, who also sells and distributes every drug ever made and is also lazy and unemployed while somehow stealing billions of tax payer dollars. They are all essentially perennial all star criminals.

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[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 121 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Look at these Nazi psychos. Half a (typo edit) brigade in full military gear to take on an unarmed woman who has more balls than all of these losers combined. They're treating a peaceful city like a war zone.

When is our state government going to step in and push back with force?

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Democrats still think being unarmed and asking politely will make Republicans listen. You also dont realize cop demographic also mostly filled with people who voted Republican and want this shit happening.

Y'all will never get it.

[–] TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What would you suggest that the woman should have done instead?

[–] Soulg@ani.social 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Clearly she should've shot at them, got their armor, and gotten herself plus her children and anyone else in the building or even behind the building killed.

Where's the state national guard? I know they're on standby, this is when they start taking action. I get that Walz is afraid of where this will lead but that's on the administration, not him.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

State national guard are able to (and have been) federalized. There are few armed forces in states that solely answer to the governor (and can't be overridden by the federal government).

[–] Soulg@ani.social 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The reason I asked about them was because Walz ordered them in standby after Wednesday, so I'm not sure why they're still standing by

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[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 85 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Textbook civil behavior from the woman filming and speaking, clearly restraining herself, asking for a warrant for the intrusion.

Textbook fascism from the invaders. Door to door searches for... What? Humans? Yeah it's been happening since forever but this is scaled up orchestrated violence.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Are you hiding any browns in this house?"
- Not the SS?

[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's fucking back to cowboy country. No rules of Law apply Anymore. Start shoot the dangerious People at your door America. Isn't that why you love your guns?

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are hostages in most houses. If you're gonna shoot, be prepared for Waco.

[–] NannerBanner@literature.cafe 13 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I'll go further than that. If you shoot, prepare for a 'swat-lite' squad to attempt to breach, and then after they've embarrassed themselves, for the local cops, nearby fbi, and atf to waco your ass... unless you're in a rural area, and then it's ruby ridge all over.

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[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

A bunch of pussies hiding behind masks and dark glasses and flashing flashlight at camera to not be recognized. They know what they are doing is wrong but they love hurting women and children too much to stop.

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 month ago (9 children)

If an unidentified armed Nazi breaks my door down I am absolutely burying them six feet under.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Remember, if you want to go through body armor, you'll either have a hell of a time finding AP ammo, need to hand-load your own, or -- the economical, thinking man's choice -- have 12 gauge slugs*. Buckshot and regular FMJ will not cut it unless you're more confident in your shot placement under pressure than I am (in which case, aim for the face or the groin, but not center mass)

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 9 points 1 month ago

Personally, I think 00 and 000 buckshot would do fine. The spread may allow even an barely trained shooter to wing a limb or neck, which tend to be unarmored. You don't need a instantly fatal wound, just one that incapacitates.

The important thing is to have a shotgun that affords you the ability to fire two or three times on demand, just in case the other ICE decide to fight rather than fly.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If they are close enough to me to film as close as I've seen, I feel like they're close enough for face shots?

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

While getting fired upon in return (which you presumably will be, immediately, if you're telling them to fuck off or be shot and they're not fucking off)?

Heads are small targets and hard to hit if they're moving, and they move a lot even when the body they're attached to is not actively trying to dodge gunfire. If you want to take out more than just the one you surprise, I would strongly recommend something that can punch holes in body armor -- if you're gonna go down this route, go down with >1 KDR.

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And yet americans wont do anything about it.

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Castle doctrine in my state. Unfortunately I don't live in a blue state Trump hates directly at the moment.

Edit: Also only person in my apartment, so if they're coming for me, it's gotten beyond the point of bad. To where it's better to die there than be taken away and /disappeared/.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So did they have a warrant?

[–] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Warrent? They need no stickin' Warrent!

(Spoilers, they don't know what they word means and everything they did was incredibly illegal)

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[–] archonet@lemy.lol 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

~~Lady, why the fuck is your door even open if you haven't seen a warrant yet?~~ I've been informed she didn't open it, but the rest of this comment stands

I'm going to repeat this for anyone who needs to hear it: The. Door. Does. Not. Open. Without. A. Warrant. If they want to break down the door without one, wonderful, you can sue them later and probably (if the courts aren't completely useless by that point) win enough money to buy an entire new house let alone a new door; but that does not work if your dumb ass opens the door for them and allows them to plant their jackboot in the doorway.

[–] DrWorm@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

They knocked the door open, the lady didn't open it.

You can see the wood splinter and fragments on the ground they forced the door open illegally. You can see a video of this from the outside they broke the door open.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Oh, I didn't notice that -- well then she's in for a fantastic windfall, again assuming the court isn't completely captured by fascism.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remember when a cop destroyed a innocent bystander’s home to find a fugitive. Owner sued the city, and judge sided with her. But the 5th circuit said nah fuck that. Also SCOTUS declined to review the case. https://usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/11/25/supreme-court-swat-teams-property-damage/76129567007/

[–] NannerBanner@literature.cafe 18 points 1 month ago

judge sided with her

Correction: a jury sided with her. We should always remember that 99% of the time the appellants have had to convince multiple people that they were due remuneration, not just one.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where the fuck are the NRA and the 2A stand up to a tyrannical government folks now that the US has a tyrannical government that needs standing up to? It's almost like they were a bunch of weekend warriora with murder fantasies all along and once push came to shove their micro-penises folded in on themselves and they are cowering in their bedrooms with the lights turned off.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

Those people want to stand up to an imagined tyrannical "woke" government. Fascists are a-okay!

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lmao the chunky ass gravy seal flashing the taser just froze up when she didn't cower in fear

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I got a headache just from watching the video. Flashing lights like this when not dealing with a actual threat should definitely be considered a form of assault.

[–] Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago

Fascist terrorists

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Shoot door kickers

[–] johsny@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Wow, all that testosterone running rampant. Such macho men.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So should I start a timer to see how long it'll be until this goes very badly wrong and people start dying again?

And the 2 FA people are crickets, as expected

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

No. Not silent. I just discovered my mom is pushing a fundraiser for the ICE shooter's family. The brainwashing is extraordinary. A cop could beat me to death in the street and she'd be there apologizing to the cop for his bruised knuckles.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is MN not a Castle Doctrine state? Thought it was. I could see this stuff going really, really sideways in a state like NH or TX, both as Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground states. If no-badge, no-law thugs in balaclavas roll up and break into your house, how can that differ from a "real" break-in?

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

This is the first time I've appreciated someone in a cell phone video repeating the same thing over and over again.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

No fucking quarter. Arm yourselves against tyranny.

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