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this one really speaks to me (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.

liberals like to decorate themselves with the nimbus of morality but when it comes to stepping up to fascism and protesting even if it's not like a fun parade but serious and uncomfortable. Or just if the weather is bad.

Or when it comes to being self critical about your own learned patterns of behavior and thinking.. they are nowhere to be seen, not to be relied on and it does real damage, as we can see.

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[–] starik@lemmy.zip 55 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I wish reading platitudes could make me feel superior to others

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have the perfect quote for you:

this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.

Obviously I am making a bit of a joke on TOs cost here. Should be no problem for TO after making such broad statements.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

IO*

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That’s not IO

[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

What? It's a common saying.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lot of wanking going on here. Is this a fetish?

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't agree with the last bit. What you do is what you are. But the rest is good.

To quote Chidi from the good place:

Well, principles aren't principles when you pick and choose when you're going to follow them.

[–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

I'm reading it as your values determine what you do, what you do determines who you are

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is literally saying that your values are what you do even when no one is watching, meaning not picking and choosing/

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you need to clear your nose out, then when other people aren't watching you might well be picking ...

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Or wiping my ass, which I don't do in front of other people either. It isn't referring to every literal thing we do.

The context is about whether someone does the right thing when not being watched. As on their virtues aren't just performative.

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was specifically making a wordplay joke about the word "picking" ... never mind.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Most people dont have consistent morals that they live to. For most people they just do whats moral most of the time and thats good enough for them. There is a serious lack of self awareness in reading this post and thinking it applies to you.

this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.

Tsk tsks, politicking on a meme sub for shame. Anyway leftists on this site are a joke. Half the "leftists" on this site say they want socialism and then go on to describe 1:1 the current liberal society that they live in. The other half are indistinguishable from neo nazi's. Reminder that while Liberals were defeating fascism in WW2 leftists joined them.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

"What I do when no one's watching, when it's hard?" 👀

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hey uh show of hands:

How many people have actually worked at something like a homeless shelter, non profit assisting some kind of class or classes of disadvantaged individuals?

How many people here actually just give cash to homeless people when they ask for it, which is the most efficient and effective way to help them?

How many of you have actually given a homeless person a place to stay, or maybe just park their car, whatever, with conditions and time limits of course, but to try and actually give them some kind of stability, at least for a bit?

How many people have organized or joined a local union, tenants union, worked for a tenants rights organization, mutual aid group, etc?

How many of you even help out your neighbors with things from time to time, or even talk to them?

Help drive them to some doctor appointment or grocery trip, do a carpool?

Howabout supporting or organizing some kind of local co-op, that actually gives voting rights as to business decisions, to members, in some capacity?

Those, those are the kinds of things that you would be doing if you actually acted out the virtues of being a leftist.

I've unironically met slum lords who've done more praxis by at least offering people somewhere to live, little to no questions asked, for an affordable price, than most self-described leftists I encounter.

Please, please don't ever mistake some kind of pristinely articulated, immaculate worldview, for actually doing anything useful in terms of being the change you want to see in the world.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've unironically met slum lords who've done more praxis... than most self-described leftists I encounter.

This is wild to me, bc I've never met a leftist who doesn't do several of the things you listed. Where are you encountering these self-described leftists? How do you know that they aren't doing praxis?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Mostly Seattle.

How do I know?

They were my friends, and their friends of my friends, untill they started giving me shit for... actually doing something like half the things I listed out above.

They were more interested in their IG profiles and Twitter reputations, whole lot of rainbow flavored idpol.

I was being 'unrealistic' and 'ridiculous' by actually doing things. I'd ask what they were doing, and well that question was rude, actually.

See, anybody can call themselves a leftist, make all the mouth noises, use it as a way to be smug and superior, and just... not actually be one.

I'm not saying 'all leftists are fake untill they personally prove otherwise to me.'

That indeed would be a rather silly standard.

Thats why I asked ... questions, and didn't make much of a statement beyond the actual point of this original post; your values are exemplified bynwhat you do, talk is cheap.

Maybe I've just had a bad run of fake friends comapred to most?

My personal experience isn't exactly a statistically valid unbiased survey, but it is my experience.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Anecdotally but you're not wrong. Everyone talks a talk not many do. That's irrespective of political beliefs.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yep, completely correct.

Another way you could phrase the same idea is:

There does not exist a philosophy or worldview that one can simply profess to adhere to, which makes one de facto immune to being a hypocrite.

Or maybe, more succinctly:

You are not immune to performative virtue signalling.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As someone who has reached various stages of self-congruence in their life (most recently this month) more people would benefit from understanding that deep down we are all hypocrits in some way or another. That does not make us bad people, but ignoring it prevents us from growing.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thats a very good way of looking at it.

'You' are not a model kit, that is just, fully assembled at some point, with the right modules, no room left for improvement.

'You' are a process, a river that flows, a path that is walked.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly, Seattle really is full of holier-than-thou assholes who want to think they're farther left than they are.

I've run into a wide variety, starting at the "I'm a leftist, but ecofascism is kinda cool" kind, to "I know you're homeless, but you're white, so that makes you more privileged than me, a POC landlord", and running all the way up to "Eugenics is okay, but I have a karl marx shirt and think I'm one of the vanguard" types.

It absolutely turned into crabs in a bucket when I got a job in palliative care for developmentally disabled elders, and it's part of why I burnt out so bad and tried to kill myself.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sorry to hear you tried to kill yourself, glad to see you failed.

Yeah, I used to be the co lead of the data and IT department at Mary's Place.

Then a series of ludicrous events caused by my own family made me homeless.

Absolutely no one cared, either that I made my living by trying to help the poor, at scale, or that I joined their ranks, not any of my friends, my extended family, nor my own former employer.

Not exactly a suicide attempt, but goddamn if a year or two with all the fentanyl addicts didn't nearly kill me, I'm still recovering from all the physical injuries that caused me, 2 years on from it.

Fuck Seattle, its exactly as you say, everyone is unimaginably absurd in their own personal victim / moral superiority mindsets, and they're also delusional when it comes to thinking that some policy they support is going to do anything like what they think it will.

Leftism is just a trend in Seattle these days, almost everyone is actually just a corpo or a nepo baby of some kind, cosplaying a leftist with all the pretentious meta/double irony of wearing a designer Che Guevera t-shirt, which is actually cool and proletarian, but I guess you just wouldn't get it.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

I swear, if I run into one more hipster that tries to mansplain feminism to me...

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

While I agree with the rest, "your values are who you are" sounds very reductive. We are not one single aspect, not just our values, or thoughts, or emotions, or actions, but the dynamic system of them all.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

not everyone can afford to have their actions match their values aye

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Your values are who you are when you get to think about what you want to be. They are what you’re proud of, and they are what allow you to look upon your actions positively. Your values and principles are the foundation everything else is built on.

People will certainly judge your actions, and that’s fair for them to do much of the time, but if your actions and your values are so disconnected that the difference comes into play so strongly then you might need to read the post over a few more times.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Your values and principles are the foundation everything else is built on.

I would say our life experiences are the foundation that our values are then developed on. People in different circumstances will likely end up with different values (or even if broadly the same values, they will prioritise them differently).

People will certainly judge your actions, and that’s fair for them to do much of the time, but if your actions and your values are so disconnected that the difference comes into play so strongly then you might need to read the post over a few more times.

I wasn't commenting because of my personal experiences, but because I've read about life stories of others where they had to act in ways that went contrary to their values. Like when they are stuck in an abusive family or relationship dynamic, or in a job where they have to act unethically to be able to afford housing and food. During the pandemic I've come across the concept of moral injury which seems to refer to similar situations.

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 7 points 2 weeks ago

Well there is a certain point where most people's morals are going to fail. What sets people apart is where that point is.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Like how France Italy and Greece didn't arrest Netanyahu when he flew over their airspace.

They don't really believe in upholding the international law

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[–] obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

Like claiming to be against ICE but then not even being slightly inconveniensed to not support companies that support them.

[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

I always return the shopping cart to the proper place.

[–] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

In Anthropology, it's called the Observer Effect. It's a simple premise that people act differently when they know they're being watched.

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

' Progressive except Palestine"

Classic liberals.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

My value is -6942067

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

That, and the how many of your political opponents you murder and imprison once you've consolidated power. Potato potahto, really.

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