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[–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

The screen died on my wife's iPhone, fine I have other spare iPhones aplenty she can switch to. But at some point she had accepted a prompt on the iPhone to switch to eSIM so we couldn't just move a physical SIM over, you had to go through the "transfer eSIM" menus, which we couldn't do because the screen was dead. The only option the carrier gave us was going to a physical store.

I'm never switching my main carrier to eSIM, what a PITA for absolutely no upside.

(they're great for throwaway travel SIMs though)

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 34 minutes ago

Your carrier is the problem. I just login to my carrier's app on the new phone and boom new esim.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 13 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Fucking duh.
Carriers fucking suck in every metric possible, you have to be insane to want to get their shitty support and shitty apps involved in anything more than the strictly necessary

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago

I don't think a physical SIM is a guarantee that the phone number remains intact. The SIM is a token in the system that links a piece of hardware to a phone number and that link is maintained by the carrier. My phone spontaneously stopped being able to make calls and receive SMS. I went through the usual steps to rectify it but no dice. The carrier had to manually reconnect my number because it had become a victim of their periodic cull of disused numbers. Took quite a few calls over a period days to achieve this. 'yes I have turned it off and on...' ad nauseum.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The mvno that I use allows me to switch between T-Mobile, Verizon and att. I can do it online quickly. eSIMs are great.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 3 points 6 hours ago

Care to share?

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago

All of the bad parts of esim are the fault of the carriers in my experience. I'm on a MVNO that created their own method of generating a new esim and moving the number via their website and app and it is painless for the most part.

They only let you do it 4 times a billing cycle though without talking to customer service. Which I suspect is the fault of the upstream carrier somehow.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I don't use eSIM most of the time but when I travel and I don't want roaming, damn it's nice. I just go on Airalo or Saily, pick a destination, pay something like 20 bucks and get the data. I load it up on my phone, travel, land and voila, works right away while I'm still on my way through customs. No WiFi needed, no "quick" trip to a random shop or a large provider that'll try to upsell whatever. I just land, connect, use my VPN and voila.

Also if your phone doesn't support eSIM you can use https://jmp.chat/esim-adapter

[–] aloofPenguin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Used Saily while on vacation. Loved it. Switched on thee same day (where I was going there is a 3 day wait on SIM activation I believe), and the connection was pretty good.

[–] Nfamwap@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Absolutely love Airalo. Simple, painless and really good prices for their data plans (in Europe at least)

[–] Flames5123@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 hours ago

I love eSIM because one day on the bus I was tired of AT&T speeds being shit in my commute, so I decided to switch carriers. By the time I walked home from the bus, I was done releasing my number and setting up my new eSIM to my new carrier and immediately got faster speeds. It just worked.

I completely understand if you’re changing numbers all the time it could be annoying, but it was just a simple activation for me.

[–] Bleys@lemmy.world 57 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

For me the main benefit of eSIMs is they allow multiple numbers on a single phone which is super handy.

Reading the article though, and I think the described problem is entirely the fault of the carrier and not the design of eSIMs. The carrier should have allowed alternative verification methods (email, online account, in-person at store) other than just sending a text to the disabled number.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 35 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

There's also a thing called dual sim. Which is standard in the Asian market and used to be common in Europe.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 49 minutes ago

Wanted one of those so bad, but couldn't find ones with US bands support at the time

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 11 points 12 hours ago

Still using dual SIM in Europe. While EU policies made it so that you can use a European number throughout Europe with basically no real added costs, country specific numbers are still required for a bunch of bureaucracy

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[–] ArfArfWoof@europe.pub 71 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

Nice to see another feature getting removed to make phones slimmer which is necessary because of uhh... 'Cuz the uh... You know that thing that uh...

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

eSIM just makes more sense. Why do you need a card just to store some random bits of data when your phone can store hundreds of gigabytes of data?

[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 16 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

In a world of corporate control over everything, I’ll take my globally defined, physical interface standard thank you.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

You realize that it doesn't physically do anything, right? Like it just has some bits on it

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

What control are you losing by going with esim? They already had you by the balls with the physical sim. Now its just more convenient and esim is also globally defined/accepted.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The ability to swap it to a new device without carrier approval is a big one for me.

[–] IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

This sounds like a your carrier problem, not an eSIM problem.

I've swapped eSIMs between devices 3 times this year at my own leisure, no involvement from the carriers, no back and forth calls or visiting a store.

From what I can tell reading these comments, people don't actually have an issue with eSIM (it's literally just like your regular SIM card and the spec absolutely allows you to move it between devices with zero friction), they have an issue with how some carriers implement them, in particular how some lock down how you can move an eSIM to a new device.

Seems like carrier implementation should be more standardized.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I would agree to an extent, but I dislike another step or dependency to change phones. With a physical sim I don't need to login to a carrier site for it to function, don't need to call their support, don't need to wait for activation times, only their towers gotta be working.

With an esim I need to change identifiers linked to the account, which takes time to propagate through the network, and also needs authentication either by a text message, login or calling support to change the account.

The path of least resistance is clear. Swap a physical sim? or authenticate and change the esim, and wait for it to sync. No brainer for me.

[–] undrwater@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

"This sounds like a your carrier problem, not an eSIM problem."

This is true, and we the consumer have no control of the carrier decisions. With a physical SIM, we have at least a little.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago

Phone companies lost touch with what we actually want over a decade ago.

Seriously, does anyone know a single person that's excited about getting a new phone when they just bought one a year or two earlier (assuming it's not broken or cracked)?

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ArfArfWoof@europe.pub 3 points 12 hours ago

Shareholder demand

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 44 points 19 hours ago

When a mobile carrier needs to verify your identity for an account change, they all do the same thing: send a text message. And what happens if you don’t have a working SIM? That’s right—nothing. Without access to my account or phone number, I was stuck with no way to download a new eSIM. The only course of action was to go to a physical store to download an electronic SIM card. What should have been 30 seconds of fiddling with a piece of plastic turned into an hour standing around a retail storefront.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 98 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

This is a problem for somebody reviewing phones, but how much of a problem is it actually for the average user who will change phones once every few years? And will probably be doing so at a phone store where they can support it.

[–] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 63 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

I haven't been to a phone store in 15 years

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 1 points 7 hours ago

Last time I went into a store was 3 years ago, specifically looking for an iPhone 13 mini as an upgrade to my iPhone XR. They didn't have any in stock, attempted to sell me a few different, more expensive devices, then just told me to try online.

Ended up going with a different provider.

[–] Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com 44 points 21 hours ago (7 children)

for the average user

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not you

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 24 points 19 hours ago (9 children)

Those of us who swap SIMs when travelling are also affected. I travel outside my country several times a year and must say that eSIMs sound like a good idea until you actually deal with them. Spending vacation time debugging an eSIM is an annoying distraction.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 26 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

It is also a problem for us IT guys, when we need to migrate users from one phone to another it is super annoying to deal with eSIMs

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 47 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

It's like everyone forgot what a pain in the ass it used to be when Verizon was cdma and didn't use sim cards.

[–] mjr@infosec.pub 20 points 19 hours ago

Or much of the world never had a similar malfunctioning telco.

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[–] warm@kbin.earth 19 points 18 hours ago

eSIM sounds good on paper, but the implementation is horrible. You should be able to easily back them up. Also I expected to be able to have many many eSIMs rather than be limited to one or two.

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