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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 91 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Everyone I know has been begging for smaller cars for years. Idk why everyone thinks people don't want them. No one said they didn't want them it was just decided for us by some CEOs. That seems to be how all of the opinions of "Americans" are formed. Same way the CEO of my company says we all love to go into an empty office and do all of our work online. It's just bullshit

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 57 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not just CEOs. Tax and emissions law in the US discourages smaller vehicles and encourages personal vehicles large enough to qualify as "light trucks". https://publications.lawschool.cornell.edu/jlpp/2024/11/25/the-unchecked-rise-of-trucks-and-suvs-in-america/

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I bring this up every time people talk about vehicle sizes and people always treat me like a conspiracy theorist.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

You're 100% right tho. It just means other people aren't interested in the truth. I used to be ignorant too until someone made that comment and i looked into it a little. Between emissions and safety standards we really push the prices of vehicles up ourselves with all the rules we've put in place.

[–] user_name@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I think the thing is when they do make them, they’re a shitty American car and nobody wants that so the Detroit execs blame us and go back to making luxury tanks for the wine moms.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 33 points 5 days ago (16 children)

I think the REAL issue is that when they sell those little cars people do buy them, but they are people who would have bought a larger more expensive car if that little car wasn't available.

We have a little Honda fit. Great car. Also a pretty popular car that you see on the road all the damned time. Honda still sells the car globally, but they stopped selling it in the US. Not because it wasn't selling, but because it was selling to people that would have bought HRVs or Civics (which cost more) instead.

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[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There's a much higher markup on large luxury vehicles so no manufacturer wants to waste their time on smaller cheaper ones.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 2 points 3 days ago

Same problem with affordable housing units :(

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What, a cheap car that is perfect for commutes and milk-runs, gets stellar mileage, zero unnecessary frills, with no over-engineered electronic crap? I can't even get a new car w/o a crappy electronic center console if I throw money at the dealership. Who cares if it's like driving a mail truck: sign us up!

Many of us want these, but cannot obtain them new or even register them in our home state(s).

That said, ending the Chicken Tax might turn companies like Ford inside-out in the process. It's an economic Jenga tower of automotive suck over here.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can USians stop being dependent on cars for transportation?

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Can we unfuck our infrastructure and bring all of our jobs/utilities/amenities closer?

Would if I could

Public transit stops running by the time I'm off work

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 days ago

I have wanted a Kei truck since I first saw one. It's me sized and I love them.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 34 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I guarantee if vehicles were properly regulated here, and the Big 3 here had to suffer actual consequences for their piss-poor choices, smaller cars would be a more popular choice.

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Regulations have partly caused the car size problem. Manufacturers have gas mileage targets/requirements, but they're scaled based on axle length. Essentially this means they can make small efficient cars, or big expensive cars.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago

Properly regulated, i.e. closing up all the loopholes.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Waste of a story. Kei cars would be terrible for most American commuters. Small cars would be good, but not kei. Too small, too dangerous, too bad in the snow, too likely to break down, too slow for expressways.

I love my kei, and I would never suggest it for the average American. This is common sense, too. Anyone who researched the matter a little would say the same.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 5 points 3 days ago

Too small, too dangerous, too bad in the snow, too likely to break down, too slow for expressways.

As someone who lives in rural northern Japan and drives his kei car on the expressways and in the snow: what? I've also never broken down. I don't think kei cars are perfect, especially not mine, but this makes no sense to me as most people, including those living in Aomori which is the snowiest major city on earth, drive kei cars all year round. We do have winter tires here, unlike the all-seasons I used in the US.

Right? I always viewed them as local runabout trucks. This is for trades people doing urban/suburban stuff. Not commuting on freeways - though of course people would do that with them. Kei cars are no different than say one of the small Smart or Fiat cars. Not great choices for safety at speed on freeways, but doable for local use.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Give them European fuel prices, and they'll convert quickly.

[–] ronl2k@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Those tiny cars don't meet American safety standards. And Americans don't like bottom-of-the-barrel cars at any price.

[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

I drive a manual Miata. I’d absolutely love an Autozam AZ-1 (Autozam is a Mazda brand). I also ride motorcycles. The Miata is actually harder to use than the motorcycles in American traffic due to its height. If you want to turn and a truck/SUV pulls up on your side you’re just stuck staring right at the middle of their door panel, zero visibility. On the motorcycles my head is at least high enough to see through their windows. Obviously this wouldn’t be an issue if the other driver didn’t pull forward to the absolute limit but that next to never happens.

For reference:

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Never.

While not in Japan, I live in Taiwan and we have some Japanese imported Kei cars.

The majority of Taiwan driving is city. We don't have many highways.

In Japan and Taiwan, esp in the city, the average speed is like 35mph. Even on the highway, most cars are not driving faster than 55mph.

In some parts America, it's mostly highway driving. Those Kei cars are death traps.

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I owned a Ford Festiva, made by Kia, in the 90s. But at that point, I had a fully developed penis and did not need a truck. The 4 doors were for the excess women this attacted.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Loved those back in the day but they were not safe and a lot of people died in them. There's no chance that car would pass today's crash tests.

I had a serious fetish for Ford EXPs and Escorts in the late 80s / early 90s. Me and my buddies did lots of hop-up work and engine rebuilds. Set aside the nostalgia though and they were absolute piles of crap.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (4 children)

please, bring back cars whose engine is just capable of reaching the speed limit, a 70hp engine in a small car is more than enough for the average person. it'll cost a fraction of a normal American car, and be much cheaper to run and maintain.

and they are so adorable. seeing a kei car or a delica in the wild makes me happy.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

be much cheaper to run and maintain.

no one mentions how heavy vehicles use more tires, brakes, transmissions and wear everything faster.

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[–] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why leave it to car brains to determine if they like it? The people driving F350 GMC Yukon zero visibility death machines will never. Too bad.

Regulate the size of cars and stop pedestrian/biker deaths.

[–] phaedrus@piefed.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Regulate the size of cars and stop pedestrian/biker deaths.

I think that's the point of the USA, though. You're not allowed to indulge in nature, only industry.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Once the electronic industrial dystopia is fully formed, they will start pimping nature for money.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Sounds good to me, I'd love a cheap small electric car

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Most Americans aren't like me, but I love my Smart car. I got into it late, I thought the cars were really goofy and stupid when they hit the scene. It's now my favorite car of all that I've owned, including my previous Porsche Boxter S. The Smart car was $6k used, it costs a little over $20 to fill up with gas, the 6 gallon tank takes just under a minute. It's still a manual which I love and it's so easy to drive. There is no extended hood so you never worry about scraping things when turning. The turning radius is insane by the way; the wheels turn to almost 90 degrees. I only need 1.5 lanes to make a U-turn and the power steering and clutch is very light. It also goes plenty fast which I was concerned about, I don't feel scared driving on the highway in it at all. It really doesn't feel small when you're in it until you look behind and remember that the car just ends as far as your arm can reach. Smarts are made by Mercedes so they're good quality. It's a shame they were discontinued in the US, but I'm not surprised at all.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Powerful rich conservative men literally will be unable to deal with this, it is too threatening to the spiritual symbol of the The Big American Car which underpins the rest of their theology.. so no Americans will not be allowed to learn to love tiny cheap Kei cars whether because of literal forceful separation and denial or by rich conservatives stoking culture wars about it through their shitbag rightwing influencer mouthpieces... no there is very little chance this future will be allowed until it reaches a point somewhere indefinitely far down the road where the advantages become undeniable.

[–] aarch0x40@piefed.social 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Americans will not be allowed to learn

That's the US in a nutshell

[–] sepi@piefed.social 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

America is a learning disability masquerading as a country

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[–] neuromorph@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honda fit owners were born ready!!

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 2 points 3 days ago

I generally like mine (Nissan Dayz Rooks HS ~2018). My two biggest complaints are lack of power for certain driving (like with 3 passengers and luggage uphill) but some have turbochargers, and secondly that the smaller footprint does make them feel much more flimsy in windy conditions. I've been blown around the expressway and felt like I was going to get blown over on a couple of occasions. Otherwise, I am quite happy. I still try to walk/train/cycle/motorcycle first, but sometimes that's not possible or practical.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

How about huge overweight and expensive kei cars?

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 6 points 4 days ago

As soon as they figure out how to make them super loud and roll coal.

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