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[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The idea that it was common because that's what was depicted on TV ain't really so. Think about how many shows right now, and over the last 30 years, have had people living in NYC, in huge, modern apartments, while working as a cab driver. Or a waitress.

The truth is that our standard of living has increased; real purchasing power has gone up. But we also expect to do more, and have more. And the cost of essentials has increased faster than the cost of non-essentials, which makes the gains feel like they're being chewed up and spat out.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/comparing-the-costs-of-generations.html

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

How I Met Your Mother actually addressed that plot hole by showing the group misremembering the size of the apartment they were in.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Not to mention how much other stuff was stolen from young people, like how awesome the internet was in the mid-2000's before it got absolutely destroyed by corporations - game consoles that didn't require 35 accounts to play a game ONLINE ONLY and a subscription to EVERYTHING in your life. Sure, it's always been bad (because capitalism) but not THIS bad. And it'll only get worse as the population becomes less tech literate.

Kids just go with it now, and it's really sad, they don't know anything different.

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I am pretty old & my mom and dad both worked at jobs. My grandmas did not BUT their moms did, so I think the one income nuclear family thing was a blip in history. Mostly people lived in larger family groups, more than one person was working even if someone was at home.

I would suck at being a housewife, don't mind working but yeah it should mean we are raking in cash, not just surviving.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah I mean where do you think all these billionaires got their money from?

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 99 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (17 children)

And to make that happen:

  1. The gilded age made some robber barons insanely rich (though not as rich as the current American oligarchs)
  2. There was a huge economic crash, called the Great Depression, during which the excesses of the rich were incredibly unpopular and the rich felt in real danger
  3. To get out of the Great Depression, the US Government created all kinds of "socialist" programs to help people get back on their feet, strengthen unions, regulate business, make massive investments in US infrastructure, etc.
  4. Right as the Great Depression was ending, WWII began
  5. For a while the US was "neutral", and was manufacturing war materiel for the various countries at war, though mostly for the Allied side. This involved huge amounts of government spending.
  6. Then, a few years after WWII began, the US entered the war, and spending ramped up even more.
  7. Virtually every other modern economy in the world had its infrastructure destroyed during the war. Britain was bombed relentlessly, Germany was flattened, Japan was nuked, France was turned into Rubble, the USSR's factories were destroyed as Germany advanced and partially rebuilt in the middle of nowhere.
  8. The war ended and while every other country was rebuilding their shattered infrastructure, the US infrastructure was running hot and able to supply the world's needs
  9. American workers were massively in demand because it was almost the only remaining industrialized country with intact factories
  10. American workers still retained the massive worker benefits and union membership that was the result of the New Deal economy

So, take that sequence, and for a brief moment a white, male worker in the US could support a family on a blue-collar salary in a way they hadn't ever done before that. Once other countries rebuilt their infrastructure, the US lost that edge. Once American businesses pushed for the roll-back of worker protections, blue-collar workers lost that benefit. Bit, by bit, the world returned to the way it has normally been, where the lowest class barely survives and both parents work hard, while the rich benefit.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago (4 children)

And since then, productivity exploded. Machines and automation everywhere. We are in the age of overconsumption. And value is created at an always acceleratind pace.

But then things started to slow down. But wealth growth can't slow down! It has to grow, always, and always faster. So when "produce more" stopped working, they turned to "produce for cheap".

They started cutting spendings and benefits. But it wasn't enough. And they told western workers that they were no longer competitive. Yes, that plant they're shutting down was making money. But it would make MORE money in China and other third world countries.

And while plants were going away, salaries got stagnant. Wealth was growing again!

But then the growth slowed down again. So they bought governments to get huge subsidies they could funnel in their wealth growth again.

And now plants are "optimal". Wages are low. Govs hand out money. Why is it not working?

Because they impoverished so much the working class that there is no one left to buy the goods they produce.

The problem is obvious to anyone looking: money is needed for the economy to run. If it's all locked up by oligarchs, then it serves no purpose and the economy suffocates. And there is no remote way a handful of people can manage the world's economy. "Trickle down economy" has failed everywhere and everytime it was attempted. So they're terrified. Terrified of the working class, terrified of common good, terrified of common sense.

So to make sure they can keep hoarding whatever is left to get, they turned to fascists and propped them across the world, by controlling medias and flooding social networks.

And here we are: in the age of overproduction and mass poverty combined, with a class of scared oligarchs ready to take the world down with them as long as no one stops their wealth hoarding.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

It's interesting watching how China has reacted to having the same problem. By helping build infrastructure in other nations they help create the economic conditions required for permanent job creation. More jobs leads to more pay, more pay leads to more purchasing power, and more purchasing power leads to more imports.

China is creating consumers rather than juicing them. Not that their ideas are innocent, but they are more coherent and beneficial.

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[–] CPMSP@midwest.social 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Nice breakdown.

Don't leave out the part that after this American renaissance, where those returning soldiers became workers who reaped the rewards of that one in a million economic boon, their children started fabricating narratives about 'hard work' and 'grit' being the reason their inherited wealth was justified.

Then they shoved that narrative down the next three generations' throats while exclaiming "kids these days are lazy" and "I worked a summer job to pay for college, why can't you?". All the while pulling up every ladder that had been constructed to put them in that position.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago (8 children)

True enough. The men who had great jobs in the 50s had frequently been soldiers in the 40s. They'd been raised in the 30s during the great depression. They'd been through hardships. It was their kids who grew up in relative luxury. I'm sure some of it was pulling the ladder up after themselves. But, in addition they hadn't had to fight to establish their union, it was just there when they joined the job. Because of that, they didn't know how important it was, and so they didn't know they should be fighting to keep it strong.

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Fantastic post, well done, sir.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com -2 points 21 hours ago

You guys are basically looking at ads produced by Madison Avenue in the 50s and think it's a realistic depiction of the past.

The poverty rate during the time you're talking about was 35% compared to 12% today.

The rate of malnutrition was similar.

Half the population were essentially domestic slaves. Would you want to be a housewife in the 1950s? Imagine being totally dependent on a much stronger other person who has societies okay to rape and beat you as long as it stayed quiet.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This was "middle class" and not everybody. The goalposts moved and middle class is now in the mid 500ks take home. Wages never kept up, so the classes shrank by default. It was and is all planned by those at the top to syphon off more and more so they can elevate themselves from us common plebs. Almost like cycles in nature? We fight and gain concessions, they slowly roll them back until we start again...

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

It was and is all planned

This is the natural tendency of capitalism. Paying workers more is less profitable, therefore companies that do so are less attractive to capital.

At the same time, to remain competitive, capital requires greater and greater investment, eg 20 years ago a grocery store needed 10 cashiers and $10,000 worth of machinery, now it needs 2 cashiers and $100,000 worth of investment to remain competitive and obtain the same revenue.

So per dollar invested, the rate of return goes down over time if the market doesn't expand.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

No, this was everybody. I don’t think there was a single exception to this lifestyle whatsoever.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

But you don't need an income that high for the lifestyle described, outside of major cities anyway. UK here for context, I would only really expect needing a high income in London. I live on the south coast, if it wasn't for house prices and mortgage rates 1 minimum wage part time income would cover this lifestyle. Unfortunately I need to pay £1100 a month for decades instead. Maybe after a while inflation will make that easier.

All other expenses a month? £170 council tax (sorta like property tax but far more regressive), £100 energy, £24 internet, water is so cheap I haven't really tracked it, under £20, food £100 or so for 2. All essentials for aboit £420 a month or 34 hours at minimum wage - for the month!

Unfortunately stuck paying the majority of my income on a mortgage.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

water is so cheap

Tell me you don't have Thames Water without telling me you dont't have Thames fucking Water

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well yeah, I said my mortgage is £1100 not my rent is £6000 a month. Its cheap when your water company just dumps the sewage into the sea.

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[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Which people lived this life? Is how we are organised today incompatible with the way they viewed the world?

[–] definitelynotavampire@piefed.social 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm only in my 30s. My dad supported our family on a high school education. I don't have a college education but I did two different certification programs to work in my field. I'm single with no kids and live alone and I'm still struggling. I don't know how anyone has a family right now. I can't even afford me. I'm so mad that my dad raised an entire family and bought and paid off a house and I can barely pay my damn rent and buy groceries with a better education and job than what he had.

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[–] Debaser@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, the art of "Enshittification" i.e., profit over product. And obviously you are the product for the billionaires and vertainly not other way around. https://www.themurrowproject.org/p/the-enshitification-of-everything

[–] WallsToTheBalls@lemmynsfw.com 77 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If you were white*

Yuuge detail

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 74 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Even if you weren't. The economic boom of the 20th century gave birth to lots of prosperous minority communities.

Only problem was that if you ever got too prosperous, neighbors might come by to burn the place down.

But a lot of the so-called economic anxiety kicked off by mass migration to California, Texas, and Florida (and to London, Paris, Berlin, St. Petersberg, Beijing, Tokyo, and Mexico City) was the result of war refugees, political dissidents, and victims of a shifting market economy finding real serious economic benefits to relocating inside the fence of one of the world's premier powers. You didn't need to be white to achieve a marked improvement in quality of life, you just needed to be within arm's reach of all the advanced industrial capital and its benefits.

The Two Income Trap that began to rear its head in the 80s/90s was a consequence of housing, higher education debts, and child care costs that prior generations hadn't historically dealt with. One could plausibly argue that the extended adolescence of college demonstrates an overall improved economy, as people are no longer joining the workforce in their teenage years and trying to outproduce a historically high infant mortality rate.

But the benefits of the economy have gone disproportionately to the leisure and professional managerial classes, while the working classes absorb higher debts/rents and defer accessing the industrial improvements until much later in life. It isn't that non-white people never see them. It is simply that they are much older when they finally do and enjoy the benefits for less time, due to higher mortality rates.

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[–] Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com 20 points 2 days ago

Don't worry. It'll get worse.

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