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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

The most famous affair in history. She slept with another man, and blamed it on a magical sky fairy.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 111 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The God she tells you not to worry about.

[–] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago

Plus, I think he's gay, so really don't have to worry. He's harmless.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 64 points 3 days ago (3 children)

My favourite is the idea that mary was hooking up with the wise men and either kept it secret or was clueless about reproduction and they were tricking her and the wise men came bearing gifts because each thought they were the father

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I have a fun head-canon that combines Christian mythology with that of ancient Rome and/or Greece. It all starts with Jesus's animal metaphors. Jesus is a lamb of God. Jesus is a dove of peace. Jesus is represented with a drawing of a fish.

So it seems that Jesus has interesting shapeshifting powers. Sounds reminiscent of another deity, doesn't it? Zeus famously transformed into animals in order to seduce women. He also had a jealous wife, Hera, who frequently punished his extra-marital partners.

My thinking goes that Zeus seduced Mary once upon a time. However, knowing his wife's wrath, he never disclosed it, and advised Mary to say she was a virgin in order to throw her off Hera's radar.

Thus, Jesus the shape-shifting son of God was born. In a manger, of all places. Perhaps Zeus was there to support Mary in the form of a sheep or something.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

animorph jesus ?

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

This sounds just as believable as the bible, with it's magical sky daddy.....

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe they were wise for not bringing it up until they'd seen the baby.

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[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 79 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Isaiah 7:14 calls mary a "Almah" which is a unmarried but ready to marry woman; and the implication is virgin, which is why it was used for virgin too.

Virgin Mary is almost certainly a mistranslation.

The point was that jesus was the child of a unmarried couple, which was seen as bad, and yet jesus is fucking jesus.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago (6 children)
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

Personally I prefer Christ on a cock. Which because I have had my mind poisoned by the French invokes the image of Jesus riding a giant rooster.

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[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The name's Christ, James Christ.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

From now on I'll exclaim "JOSES CHRIST!" Instead because I don't want his brothers to feel different..

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 14 points 3 days ago

Well, Jermaine and Janet Christ both had decent solo careers after the death of Jesus

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Jesus was the first born. Even if Mary was a virgin when he was born, this isn't necessarily the case for his younger siblings

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, but you have to factor in the rabid Christian belief that she’s an eternal virgin. So they have to make up all kinds of complicated explanations for how any siblings could exist.

(According to official doctrine they were either cousins or children of Joseph’s from a previous marriage)

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

German uses the word Jungfrau (literally young woman), there's no separate word explicitely defining a state of not having had sex.

I'm guessing Almah is similar.

But I heard a different story about the "virgin birth" - problem is I have no idea if it's true or not. Anyhow:

There was some sort of ritual where young women were invited to spend a night at the temple, with priests. Due to the religious nature of this, they were still considered to be virgins ("marriable" I guess?) afterwards. Quite the opposite, it was seen as an honour. Even if they got pregnant.

So there's your "Virgin" Mary who was "visited by an angel" to conceive.

edit: there is some evidence that girls used to work and live at the temples, and my story is likely an interpretation of the Gospel of James.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

At what point did the mistranslation occur? There have been many translations.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 18 points 3 days ago

It was between the anime and the first OVA, the original manga used the previous sentence.

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

As a non-Christian, what the hell is up with this story? How do people know she wasn't sleeping with some other man? Like is that explained? Were there no other men in the village or whatever? I have no idea how this makes sense. If a woman today said God got her preggo we would all assume it was just some guy she doesn't want people to know about. I'm so confused.

[–] eldain@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

It is a common trophy for prominent romans to trace their heritage down to the gods in order to add legitimacy to their extraordinariness. Jupiter knocked up virgins left and right, that was a common story why someone would be in a heritage of devine decent. I believe the biblic storytellers did the same to give their protagonist the legitimacy and importance that was required by the times.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Also as a non-christian: I think you've got it backwards. Christians believe that she was a virgin because they believe Jesus was their god. Basically that it doesn't make sense to them that a perfect being could be gestated inside a dirty sex having woman, so it must be that she was a virgin.

Also Jesus had a habit of giving people nicknames (eg Simon Peter - the rock) I could see him having a disciple Mary the virgin and another one Mary the mother that got conflated. There's no evidence for this but idk it still seems more likely than virgin birth.

[–] alwaysorg@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

In the book of Matthew, the story goes like this:

Mary tells Joseph she's pregnant. Joseph realizes right away that she was an adulturer. If people found out, she was gonna be stoned. Joseph still loved her anyways, and was willing to protect her from that, so they went away. Joseph struggled knowing his wife was an adulturer. It wasn't until God came to him in a dream and told him his wife was carrying Jesus that he found peace with it.

[–] bampop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Some of the narrative in the gospels is concerned with fulfilling the prophesies of Isaiah, since that would build a case for Jesus being the Messiah, which was something people were interested in at the time.

Isaiah didn't clearly prophesy a virgin birth, but the writers of Matthew and Luke were probably working from the Septuagint, a greek [mis-]translation which turns the prophecy into one of a virgin birth. So, thinking that a virgin birth was required, they wrote it into the story.

The question of whether someone claiming to be made pregnant by God is making a plausible claim, is fairly moot when the whole episode was probably made up anyway.

[–] ofak@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Concerning the fact that Jesus himself went around and told people he was the son of God didn't do him much good in the end if you for example watch The Passion of the Christ. I think the writers of the Bible (and their sources) may have been a tad on the dramatic side in prospect.

[–] the_visitor@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

And after the child birth, a group of three mysterious men show up!

[–] MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"Come on, just try to imagine Joseph's reaction when Maria suddenly walks to him, pregnant, and goes "God impregnated me", what would he think? "Damn, this bitch's cheating on me!"!"

  • My dad at a family barbecue, making everyone laugh.
[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Side-note, FYI (For those on about Christ throughout this thread), consider:

Christ means the anointed one.

Anointed with the holy oil.

The holy oil made with large quantities of "Kaneh Bosm".

Kaneh Bosm correctly translated, fitting the description and effects, is Cannabis.

So, the return of Christ, is the restoration of Cannabis.

"All of these things I have done, you shall do too, and more."

(See Sula Bennet, and Chris Bennett's work on this for more info.)

A long-haired, sandal-wearing man preaching peace and love, who probably smelled like cannabis?

Jesus was a hippie, it's confirmed.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also, his name loosely translates to Josh, so he's Oily Josh.

I am still working on The Ballad of Greasy Josh tyvm

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. ~Genesis 1:29-30

Now go forth and sin no more!*

*Sin in this context means being a square

[–] Jimjim@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Its funny and all, but God never asked Joseph to practice "abstinence"

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is more coherent than the actual bible story.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Let's add the crucifixion story on top of this. Romans historically left the crucified up until they rotted. However, the Romans here said "what Jesus is dead already? Whatever, you can take his body." Then they put him in a cave and put Myrrh and Aloe on him. Myrrh was used as a medicine and ceremonies .... but Aloe? No, that's medicine. Then Jesus comes back 3 days later.

This is the story of a con job imo. They are trying to show the Romans as inept and them being smart enough to steal Jesus off the cross.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No one's going to believe this story rn, and certainly not for over 2,000 years.

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 11 points 3 days ago

It's weirder than that...

If I recall correctly, I heard ... Joseph was something like 80, and Mary was something like 12.

That does not get said a lot.

Is fun to dig into the apocryphal sources on that to check for plausibility.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In those days, the predecessors that would become Christianity hadn't invented the abstinence rules yet.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Fucking puritan imperialism

[–] FranciscoLopez@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

His expression is the exact moment you realize you’re in a story you didn’t consent to.

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