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US army secretary briefs ambassadors at ‘nightmare meeting’ in Kyiv on Friday after talks with Ukrainian leader

US officials have told Nato allies they expect to push president Volodymyr Zelenskyy into agreeing to a peace deal in the coming days, under the threat that if Kyiv does not sign, it will face a much worse deal in future.

The US army secretary, Dan Driscoll, briefed ambassadors from Nato nations at a meeting in Kyiv late on Friday, after talks with Zelenskyy and taking a phone call from the White House. “No deal is perfect, but it must be done sooner rather than later,” he told them, according to one person who was present.

The mood in the room was sombre, with several European ambassadors questioning the content of the deal and the way in which the US had conducted the negotiations with Russia without keeping allies informed.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 27 minutes ago

I don't get geopolitics. Why is Trump acting like the UN in this scenario?

[–] Gino_Pilotino667@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

Since 85 years, you should know, that appeasement never worked well..

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 4 hours ago

isnt it obvious this is buzzword straight from putins mouth, through KRASNOV.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 20 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I literally have no horse in this race, but I still feel sick to my stomach thinking "please don't cave in to this asshole and completely waste that many lives and years for nothing"

This is a make or break moment when Europe has to tell America to fuck off or it'll be absolutely heartbreaking.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 7 points 21 hours ago

I have no faith in Europe to stand up to America.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

You mean Putin says...

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Ukraine will face worse in the future if they take the deal. Nations which went down fighting rose again, but those which tamely surrendered were finished.

[–] devedeset@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

Russia probably won't be finished but you can still punch a bully in the mouth.

Nuke this, nuke that, if my country actually held true to the Budapest Memorandum none of this would have happened. We already bailed on Ukraine once.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A deal with Russia isn't worth the paper it's written on.

This war is only even possible because they've already violated an agreement they had with Ukraine. It would be insane for Ukraine to agree to a different deal for safety when they already did that and got back stabbed.

Meanwhile Europe will push Ukraine not to sign the deal (not that much persuasion will be necessary) because Europe doesn't want to set the precedent that Russia can just eat away at Europe.

As for the threat from the US that Ukraine will get a worse deal if they don't sign, given how crap the current deal is, I can't see how it could reasonably get any worse, unless it's total surrender, but that won't fly because there would be literally no point even considering that. The Trump administration really are useless at negotiating, they think they can strong arm Ukraine, but they don't actually have any cards.

[–] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 6 points 21 hours ago

You can literally replace "US" with "Russia" in this title and it would still make perfect sense.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 6 points 22 hours ago

America is such a pathetically weak country led by compromised pedophiles.

Americans can kindly go fuck off under a rock in the ocean.

Cowardly cunts, then entire fucking lot of you. Enjoy your new control under Russia pussies.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

russia is losing bad, so putin pressures krasnov to force ukraine into an unfavorable deal or he will release some of the epstein files, or redirect his troll farms to attack krasnov.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

While I'm not at all unfriendly towards anti-Russia propaganda.... are they really?

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The press around the Alaska meeting was interesting. I remember it being reported that Trump team appearing to look visibly shocked as they left the behind closed doors meeting. That it ended early, etc I wonder what was said....

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

sometime about epstein no doubt, wasnt epstein advising PUTIN how to handle TRUMP.

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 7 points 23 hours ago

How does Trump know?

[–] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

blah blah blah, another "peace" deal, russia go fuck yourself.

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As horrible as it would be, if Ukraine never backs down and ends up going down in flames it will at least serve as a historical reminder of what happens when you treat the USA as a friend. This is a mark that would not be erased easily; Nazi Germany is still thought of and talked about almost 100 years since it happened, and Backstabbing USA would be no different.

People will remember why Ukraine fell, and they will know who not to trust. The USA has spent a long, long time getting the world hooked on their technology and aid, and in one short year Trump has torn a lot of it down to the point that people globally are actively looking for alternatives.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, that was his goal. Either destroy trust to weaken our position globally for the benefit of someone else, or blind adherence to the belief that other countries are the only beneficiary of the relationship we have with them, and they need to "stop freeloading". That in exchange for military defense, technology, aid, and everything else we get unparalleled military freedom, everyone meeting us on our terms and first mover advantage, control of global financial markets and preferential market access basically everywhere. Their boneheaded view that government is a business and everyone who came before just didn't understand somehow is infuriating.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, that was his goal. Either destroy trust to weaken our position globally for the benefit of someone else,

It's not for the benefit of someone else though. Trump wants to intentionally destroy the US government by destroying its credibility both within and abroad. He does this by cutting foreign aid and pissing off all the US' former allies, and by terrorizing the US population.

His goal is to destroy the US as an institution because his key voters, which are southeners, think that they were forced to partake in the United States against their will back in the civil war from 1800, and that they should have a right to secede, and if it's not given to them freely, they have to destroy the entire US just to get away from it.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago

I'm inclined to disagree because I doubt he's working for any voters. If he's leaving office, he gains nothing from their support and if he's planning to stay then splitting the country also weakens him.

Further, sentiment among the southern population is very different from the civil war era.

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Trump works for pootles.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (20 children)

Why is anyone listening to the US anymore? They are turning themselves into North Korea and losing any credibility they might have had. Who gives a shit what they say anymore?

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because Europe has had half a decade to fill the void and they can't get it done and continue to act like cost efficiency is the name of the game.

Europeans seem to want to rag on about the US being irrelevant while being completely unwilling to put their money where their mouths are.

I am very supportive of Europe, but they need to wake up to that reality and stop bickering about pennies.

They should have been at wartime production years ago, and yet they still don't even have a 5th let alone 6th gen fighter jet.

The fact that the USA, who is currently chopping its own legs off, is managing to provide just about equally to the Ukrainian war effort to you, who are literally neighbours, should be embarrassing and sobering, but instead people just keep complaining and expecting the US to both shut up, and fix it.

[–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Your claim that US and EU aids are about equal is false.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Your Dropped link, but the data is not clear.

Here we can see that USA gives less militarily and financially.

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[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There’s that shady salesman tactic of “buy this bad product now for a low price”

[–] Olap@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Art of the deal

Trump always backs down, Zelensky should call and see what he's holding at this stage. Russia has always been the USAs biggest bogeyman, I can't actually see them pulling out completely

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 22 points 1 day ago

If there is a peace deal to be brokered by outsiders, it should be through NATO without the USA. Europe still vaguely recalls what came of the Versailles Treaty, so EURO-NATO would at least try to make sure things turn out alright.

Any deal that is conceived by the USA is inherently bad, because the Childfucker In Chief wants to molest the world and to fill his pockets with misbegotten gains.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 156 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Face worse? They are going to get invaded a second time? Because yes, that is the fear and why they won't sign shit.

"HEY, BULLY, AND NERD, STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER! I DON'T CARE WHO STARTED IT, JUST GIVE HIM YOUR LUNCH MONEY OR IT WILL BE WORSE TOMORROW!"

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 87 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Second? Crimea was the first, this is second.

Russia is hoping third time is the charm

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 31 points 1 day ago (12 children)

How exactly is this going to be worse? Putin keeps a bunch of territory, gets welcomed back into the global economy, Ukraine gets hard limits on NATO membership and they're on military in exchange for a weak non-guarantee of security. You could sum the whole thing up as 'let's all agree Russia won'.

It's bullshit. It legitimizes military conquest of territory. The only compromise should be that Russia stops their illegal invasion, Russia's internationally held funds are 100% given to Ukraine for reconstruction, and the border territories get to hold a vote to decide which country they want to be a part of.

As this is now, it's just legitimizing the occupation. As an American I am very disappointed that our President would push such a thing.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 21 hours ago

I am not for Russia or Israel but why do we get Israel well its their land and Russia doesn't.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

NATO needs to consider the US as an enemy and act accordingly.

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[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 2 days ago

I wish US officials the worse fate possible.

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So MAGA actually stands for Make America Subservient To Russian And Israeli Interests? Who woulda tohunkit

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

What the fuck is the US doing?

Well it's obvious but how in the fuck

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