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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] jpeps@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

There's far worse stuff going on but there is a subtle thing I want to point out: the agent didn't have to break that window. I can't imagine they considered these women a threat, and yet they still made the choice to break through the window that had the potential to cause the most harm to these innocent until proven guilty American citizens. Why not a rear window? I think that says something about how their personal desire for violence is leading here. Fuck them.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess she's one of those very dangerous criminals, you know the type to point weapons at American People, and rape children, and steel from the poor etc... /S

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

steel from the poor

Don't give the rich any ideas about making steel out of poor people.

The iron content is poor and even after smelting is notoriously lacking in work ethic. Too brittle. You want to start off with quality American iron, like a Carnegie or J.P. Morgan.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 82 points 1 day ago (5 children)

ICE should have no authority over US citizens. We need to Stand Our Ground and use our constitutional rights to defend ourselves against fascist thugs.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

They legit don't. Say you're a US citizen and their only actual legal option is to fuckoff unless they see a felony committed in their presence which is quite honestly the same enforcement ability you and I have as plain citizens.

[–] nsfw936421@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 day ago

I thought that's what US gun rights are here for? duck and cover

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Lol...constitution...good one. That's no longer legible under Donald's shit stain.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago

Well said. Fuck ICE. I hope some day we deport THEM to a fucking prison.

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Oh well I guess we'll just roll over.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Why aren’t Americans taking out these thugs? Isnt that what the 2nd amendment is for?

[–] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because the second you pull that trigger, your life is over. If you don't have an organized movement to back you up (we don't) you're fucked if you start shooting. Anyone who depends on you for care or income or support is fucked. Organizing an antifascist militia in a post-COINTELPRO America is really fucking hard, even in places where the bootlickers are few and the guns are many.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So exactly the same consequences as if they deport you to El Salvador.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah but they're not going after the hard targets yet. Not until there's nobody left to stand up for you.

[–] Soulg@ani.social -4 points 1 day ago

Put up or shut up little man

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

See Russia for example.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

No, that's for the King of England attacking with a musket.

[–] breezeblock@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 day ago

Because that was always a lie

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Fear leads to anger (something that can be seen boiling in Lemmy and other social media sites), anger leads to hate . . . ah, well, you kow the rest.

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

No. It was about the balance of power of states vs the federal government. It also doesn't work for that either.

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

how come no one is shooting them thru doors?

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 day ago

Because with this many it's a death sentence. Like more power too you if you're that guy, but generally people like to continue breathing

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not a gun guy, but that seems incredibly reckless. Seems like there's lots of room for human or mechanical error when you've got the barrel pointed at someone and you're whacking it against a hard surface. Pretty unlikely something like that falls within firearms safety best practices.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Gun person, and you're correct; incredibly reckless. For the most part, AR platform weapons are drop safe (meaning an impact will not set it off). But depending on factors such as brand, firing pin material, or cartridge primer hardness, an impact to the end of the muzzle can cause a discharge.

Pretty unlikely, but extremely unsafe. No one with real training would do this. These are deputized dumbasses.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Telling an authoritarian "no" shuts their pea-brain down. After that they're full attack dog.