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[–] MalReynolds@piefed.social 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Says vegnews.com ...

I hate how politicized, religiousized and most especially corparatized nutrition science is, bloody shitshow (and yes I struggle through the minefield that is primary literature).

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I agree that it feels like such a huge mess. Voices and advise pulling from every direction. Food companies with their thumb on the scale, so to speak. Kernels of truth that may be exaggerated or misconstrued. All sorts of bad culture reinforcing bad habits. Food deserts. Pressure to favor convenience over healthy and home cooked.

It’s such a mess.

But I’m not sure if we should be shit talking this outlet. Hating on vegans and vegetarians is so last century.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Also, there's no one-size-fits-all diet. Despite being so close in DNA, we can still be radically different from one another.

[–] stray@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can't even finish reading this article. Low-fiber on the keto diet? What about avocados, nuts and seeds, salad greens, cucumber and zucchini, crucifers, asparagus? I could go on.

I'm not aware of a study which looks at the long-term effects of ketosis in humans. Rather, what I find is studies looking at the long-term effects of eating cheese and hot dogs at every meal, and some inapplicable rodent studies.

While some studies have observed short-term benefits, such as weight loss and improved glucose control, long-term adherence to the diet raises concerns about nutrient deficiencies, particularly in calcium and vitamin D due to the exclusion of dairy products.

If only paleolithic people had access to kale they might not have gone extinct.

Look how bad a vegan diet is:

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

As someone who has successfully done keto multiple times, to read that the diet risks being low on fiber shows that they really don't understand the diet at all.

Dietary Fiber is basically the "get out of jail free" card for keto. It was incredibly common to see something tasty in the grocery store that I might be able to eat, then pick it up and feel disappointed when it had like 12g of carbs. But then get excited to see that 10g of that was dietary fiber, meaning it's only 2g net carbs!

It's also weird that this "nutrition scientist" claims keto is at risk of micronutrient deficiency because... Grains don't really have a ton of micronutrients. Wheat, rice, soy, That's why we fortify cereals. Without that fortification, grains provide some B vitamins and some heavy metals like iron and magnesium, but the vegetables you mentioned like avocados (and I'll add spinach and broccoli to your list too) are better sources of most of that anyways.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

Yah I thought that was pretty egregious. Even if they're not getting Vit D from their food, they can easily supplement - half the population up here in the Frozen North already does that. I will continue to give paleo people shit about their diet being completely ahistorical, but as healthiness goes it seems fine. Wierd and baseless, but fine.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

I tried keto a few years ago. I did infact lose a lot, quick. But also I developed gout.

To be fair i wasn't focused on balancing it well and wasnt eating enough fresh foods and "good" fats or whatever. Don't just cut carbs and replace all your meals with bacon and cheese. Theres more to it than that I guess.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

The best way to be healthy is learn the basics of Human Nutrition. If the "diet" has a name, it's never going to work out for you. And learning Nutrition is not the end of it, you need to be an active person who also gets enough sleep. There is no shortcut to the success this gives you.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You literally remove fibre from the calculation when doing keto. And too much protein is also bad. Keto wants low carbs yes, but doesn't give a shit about carbs that are fibre. Low carbs, healthy fats, lots of veggies. If you don't understand the topic, maybe go look into it before you fuck it up this badly.

Whoever wrote this trash article is also trash

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago

The increased cardiovascular risk from long-term keto diet is a no-brainer - fats and meat have both been shown to do that. IIRC research only shows weight loss for the first two weeks of the keto diet - presumably it's just quite difficult to stay in ketosis long-term.

The research for the paleo diet is a nothing burger - they found markers for possible cardiovascular disease but not any correlation. They are completely correct that the paleo diet is utterly ahistorical, but that doesn't play into healthiness at all. Avoiding legumes and increasing meat consumption are both bad ideas, though.

Not sure why the article is so keen on carbs - there's healthier stuff out there.