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Latino men knew this policy position when they joined the cauc block in re-electing Trump. I'm frankly surprised they've swung back.

It’s a winning policy in Florida where Cuban immigrants vote Republican. It will be interesting to see if that changes.

https://en.cibercuba.com/noticias/2024-11-12-u1-e207888-s27061-nid291892-cubanos-unico-grupo-demografico-hispano-voto

yeah, my initial reaction reading this article was "no it's not, they won't change anything"

@cybervseas @MicroWave a few quotes here from various people: https://theweek.com/articles/470542/obamas-second-term-case-immigration-reform

Around here many of them voted for Trump due to not being able to stomach voting for a woman. Thats based on conversations, not a high population poll so make of it what you will.

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Everyone seems to be really surprised that racism spans all races

One thing has become to clear to me as a Canadian as I see what's happening down there: you're too fucking stupid to have a functional democracy.

It's a problem Canada shares to a lesser extent. Hell, it's a problem everywhere, though it seems to be much worse in the US than elsewhere.

If we want a functional democracy we need to make fundamental changes to how children and teens are educated. Critical thinking, knowledge of how the political system works, and general technological literacy need to be core fucking parts of the curriculum.

The Nazi rise was supported by a group of Jewish Germans called Verband nationaldeutscher Juden (Association of German National Jews). They initially believed that the Nazi Party's extreme antisemitism was merely rhetorical hyperbole or a tactic used to "stir up the masses," which would be discarded once the party achieved power. They thought their loyalty and service in World War I would protect them from Nazi persecution. They were banned by the Gestapo in November 1935, and its founder, Max Naumann, was imprisoned. Members of the group eventually faced the same persecution and fate as other German Jews, with many perishing in the Holocaust.

Some people just think that their shared beliefs will unite them with otherwise like- minded people that also hate some facet of their identity. They're usually woefully wrong. It's why we keep seeing conservative women surprised that their political allies are misogynistic and rapey toward them, conservative gay legislators face homophobic attacks from colleagues, and conservative trans people are constantly dead named, misgendered, and called pedophiles by their MAGA associates. They don't see their identity as important, because it's normal to them, so they misjudge how important it is to the bigots they support. And a lot of people, generally, have a "can't happen to me" mindset about such things, until it does. I'm still a bit shocked by the amount that still support them, but not that any do.

because latino is a broad overarching label for a dozen different hispanic groups.. With some being more religiously motivated towards Republicanism (especially thanks to abortion and homosexuality hatred), while other groups are more open minded and care about the attacks on their communities over some pointless religious tryharding.

Which is why no one should be surprised at the amount of hispanic men being photographed doing ice raids.

Actually surprised is that high. Latinos tend to be hyper religious and homophobics to an almost comical degree.

They'll fucking starve if it means a woman can't get an abortion and transsexuals dont get gender affirming care. And They'll do it gladly to protect "family values"

Some people are idiots.

Lot of latinos have really conservative values passed down by families and insular communities. Trump acted like he was "pro man" and his admin empowered people's worst insecurities about their masculinity. He saw the Tate-taint in our society and pried at it like a scab.

It's very true that if you appeal to someone about the thing they are most insecure about or hung up on, they will look right past the knife you are digging into their back even as they vote for you. He was able to get a shocking amount of votes from people of color this way. That should be our biggest wake-up call, that we're this vulnerable to being conned broadly, that it just takes someone petting any segment of the population for those people to fucking roll over and forget their entire brains exist, making up stories and validations for why they won't have their faces eaten by the Face Eating Leopard Party.

It was insane they ever had the latino vote.

Plenty of Latinos are heavily Catholic, white-passing, and coming out of countries where the industries sponsoring their immigration are Republican mega-donors. The whole O&G industry is joined at the hip to the GOP. If you're talking to a bunch of Venezuelan or Cuban or Nicaraguan immigrants, they're almost certainly folks who came over on the ratlines laid out by Spook-infested extraction industries. That's why Florida is such a hard carry for liberal Democrats - it is absolutely infested with people who believe Fidel Castro and Hillary Clinton are interchangeable.

Too many latinos seemed to think Republicans couldn’t be populist demagogues who’ll cheat & persecute them until they saw it.

They believe Republicans parallel the "business friendly" conservatives in their own states. Folks who are more interested in doing business deals that rape the local ecology and press-ganging a bunch of native peoples into sweatshops and plantations to turn a profit.

And they're not entirely wrong. They just don't always recognize how much the modern GOP is saddled with the White Nationalism of the 60s/70s Nixon Era or understand that in the United States Latinos are not white.

Incidentally, if you ever get into the deep lore of the Texas Revolution, you're going to find the exact same historical errors committed by the Tejanos - non-European anti-Mexico rebels who allied with Sam Houston's nascent paramilitary only to get purged from the state the moment the war was over.

It's the two-faced nature of the Republican Party to invite Latinos in when they're needed to win a fight and cast them back out again the moment the dust settles.

It's totally normal to shut the door behind you.

To be fair Latino culture isn’t really a monolith. They all hate each other too. So it’s not just the Christian part, racism, sexism and False bravado played a huge part too.

Tell em get back in the van

Half the turnout strategy for purple/red district Latinos has been dangling the same red meat that works on flyover country red necks and Miami crypto-bros. "They're comin' fer yer freedoms with the Woke Bullshit!"

Works until the physical reality of the police state catches up with you.

Lots of black conservatives still vote Dem for this reason, as well. Very easy to get people on board with low taxes and "business friendly" economic growth and fucking the environment for a quick buck all else being equal. But when one party runs on "The Greensboro Massacre Was Based" its hard to pivot that into "Woke-ism Bad" when Woke just means "I'd prefer the white people down the road don't burn down my house".