Why do we keep putting billions of dollars into a dying industry? We literally just bought a pipeline, we dont need more. I really hate this country sometimes.
this post was submitted on 08 Nov 2025
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We’re going to fall behind on renewables because the elites are so shortsighted.
They are not short sighted. They just don't give a shit about you or the country.
This type of thing isn't a team sport. If the country goes to shit they will just move somewhere less shit.
What part of it is dying? The demand for natural gas, keeps going up. We literally had two countries come to us when Russia shut down their gas lines, asking us to supply them and our (not so smart) PM at the time not only said no, but that there was 'no business case' for shipping more gas. Im pretty sure when there's a customer knocking on your shop door asking when you're gonna open up that there's a business case.
You are right, but their is no future for it. Combustibles need to be eliminated from our energy markets. They are harming us and the entire planet we need to live. Huge expense for small time gains is bad leadership. If the markets were nationalized, I would be more excited to get more to market, even with what I said. It is not. We don't need to help foreign entities take our resources faster for a pittance in tax benefits. Fuck that noise.
If a cold country is asking for our gas, especially to eliminate dependence on a hostile foreign regime, that is definitely a worldwide improvement and harm reduction for millions of people. Its wishful thinking to say 'eliminate it' but thats not going to happen overnight, if ever, in some countries. If we have the resource NOW and they need it NOW, then its in their best interest AND ours to sell it to them now.
Did you miss the part where I said we don't get enough return for it to build infrastructure for it. We already bought a pipeline for $4B dollars that we didn't want. They need it now, we need it tomorrow.
Who is the "we" that didn't want the Trans Mountain pipeline? Would that be the Gov of Canada that gets about 1.25 billion in revenue this year from the pipeline? Would that be the 15,000 well paid employees that built and run the pipeline? Would that be the AB and BC gov's who gain a lot of income tax from those employees? Would that be the people in China, South Korea, Japan, and India who buy most of that oil so they don't have to burn coal to power their industries and don't have to rely on shady countries like Russia? Or is it Quebecers who benefit from 14 BILLION a year in transfer payments, the vast majority of which comes from Alberta's oil revenues? Which "we" are we referring to?
The government, who had to bail out a private investor who got halfway done and walked. Why did they walk? Probably due to the protesting and fighting they had to do to get that pipeline in the ground? But yeah, it was sooo wanted. Yeah, we make money. How much would we be making if it was all ours? I betcha it would be a lot more, hey? That's where my real argument was centered. We get a pittance of the actual value of the resource because we sell off our resources instead of taking them to market.
You'll notice in these latest talks about pipelines that the gov often mentions indigenous groups as they are the primary protesters for any new pipeline. But it really didnt make sense for them to protest (and do massive vandalism of heavy equipment at one location) when the TransMountain was just a twinning of a pipeline that was already there since 1953. There will always be some bands that protest, but the majority are in favor because they also gain employment and royalties.
It was fascinating to listen to a CBC Special a few years back when they traveled across western Canada to ask people how they felt about the pipeline that was running under their property. The majority of people they spoke to, rural or urban, had NO idea there was even a pipeline underneath them. If they dont even know it, it obviously is not impacting their lives in any negative way. But people gotta protest anyway.
As Marx said, "A capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with." You're argument is only valid if you believe anthropogenic global warming isn't real. If it is, and all the science indicates it is, then the business case is only valid in the short term, with massive penalties in 15 to 40 years.
Businesses make decisions based on the next quarter. Countries tend to have to look at the next decade.
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Everyone, before responding to this person, be advised that this is a climate change "skeptic" who shills for the Oil and Gas industry and spouts doomerist propaganda that any anti-emissions policy in Canada is pointless because we are "only" producing 1.5% of global emissions.
Glad you warned 'everyone' about my 'doomerist propaganda'.
Or maybe I just think for myself, look at the facts as best as they can be determined, and don't buy into the 'doom and gloom' propaganda that says we're all going to be dead from climate change in the next few years.
I didnt say ANY emissions policy in Canada is pointless. REASONABLE and moderate policy is fine, but things like requiring all cars sold in Canada to be EVs by 2035 are just ridiculous and wrong headed, especially in Canada (and I even drive one).
Or maybe I just think for myself, look at the facts as best as they can be determined,
Think for yourself, but base your thinking on actual science: https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/summary-for-policymakers/ Anything less than that puts you in the same category as the antivaxxer lunatics. But you've already clearly said that "anthropogenic global warming is only half real", so I don't know what the point of continuing this discussion is.
don’t buy into the ‘doom and gloom’ propaganda that says we’re all going to be dead from climate change in the next few years.
That's a gross misrepresentation of what the science says and what climate-science-driven policy is about. Read the IPCC summary for policymakers and argue with facts, not with strawman arguments.
REASONABLE and moderate policy is fine
Yea, that's the problem. Your Overton Window is out of calibration because you're not based on reality but on vibes. What you consider "reasonable" is in fact already an extremist fantasy, because, counter-intiutively, your "normal" is an extremist unsustainable status quo.
Mark Carney is destroying our future!
He is and is still our best option until we push for election reform to introduce ranked choice and proportional representation. Lest we get forever stuck with Neo-liberals tilting ever closer to Nuremberg rejects.
Nope, he played on the fearmongering of a PP government. We need more regional parties to break the 2-party grip on Canadians.
And exactly how do you get that in the current system we have without reform? I'm not saying he's good I'm saying that if we try to keep doing this same song and dance without reform, we're fools.
So more partie like the Bloc Québécois?
Like an Alberta separatist party? Seriously?
Yukon started their own party and decimated both the liberals and conservatives in the territorial/provincial election.
Goes to show that it is possible.
That's just what their conservative party is called - they literally used to be the PCs. Same story with the Saskatchewan party.
Ok but how do you get there? Voting con never gets you closer to that.
How is voting con breaking the 2-party grip? That is enabling the system.
He fearmongered far more on the 'threat' of Trump. That was the main point of his campaign and people actually believed that the US might invade Canada during the campaign. Its amazing what people will fall for - totally ignoring the fact that Trump is blustering loudmouth who will say anything as long as it gets him attention.
It's both, really. Trump and PP.
No he's not! He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's one of the most conservative neo-liberal leader the Liberal Party of Canada ever had yet. He's our worst option because he looks and talks like a Liberal, but acts like a Conservative and people don't realize it.
His budget is going to fuck Canadians over further even worst than in the Mulroney era.
Okay, then what's the realistic better option? To be clear I'm not saying he's doing a good job, I'm just concerned that if you try to push people away from voting for the lesser of two evils you may just end up with the greater one as seen in the United States' recent best hits.
Which is why I think election reform is our best bet at getting something better.
NDP. They're the better option. And we have minority governments here. Even if the conservatives had won as a minority, having a strong NDP to oppose them and require compromises would have been better. A budget like the one Carney presented wouldn't have passed.
Yes but I said realistic. NDP won't happen with our current system, much better chance with election reform.
I bet it would if younger people bothered to go vote or if voting was mandatory and/or proportional.
Maybe but we have to work with what we have, believe me, we're on the same side, just trying to avoid a conservative majority
I know. :(
This will die in court. The "red tape elimination" they did will simply result in an unending string of lawsuits.
The fuck it is!
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