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[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He is and is still our best option until we push for election reform to introduce ranked choice and proportional representation. Lest we get forever stuck with Neo-liberals tilting ever closer to Nuremberg rejects.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Nope, he played on the fearmongering of a PP government. We need more regional parties to break the 2-party grip on Canadians.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

And exactly how do you get that in the current system we have without reform? I'm not saying he's good I'm saying that if we try to keep doing this same song and dance without reform, we're fools.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

So more partie like the Bloc Québécois?

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok but how do you get there? Voting con never gets you closer to that.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

How is voting con breaking the 2-party grip? That is enabling the system.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like an Alberta separatist party? Seriously?

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yukon started their own party and decimated both the liberals and conservatives in the territorial/provincial election.

Goes to show that it is possible.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

That's just what their conservative party is called - they literally used to be the PCs. Same story with the Saskatchewan party.

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He fearmongered far more on the 'threat' of Trump. That was the main point of his campaign and people actually believed that the US might invade Canada during the campaign. Its amazing what people will fall for - totally ignoring the fact that Trump is blustering loudmouth who will say anything as long as it gets him attention.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

It's both, really. Trump and PP.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No he's not! He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's one of the most conservative neo-liberal leader the Liberal Party of Canada ever had yet. He's our worst option because he looks and talks like a Liberal, but acts like a Conservative and people don't realize it.

His budget is going to fuck Canadians over further even worst than in the Mulroney era.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Okay, then what's the realistic better option? To be clear I'm not saying he's doing a good job, I'm just concerned that if you try to push people away from voting for the lesser of two evils you may just end up with the greater one as seen in the United States' recent best hits.

Which is why I think election reform is our best bet at getting something better.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

NDP. They're the better option. And we have minority governments here. Even if the conservatives had won as a minority, having a strong NDP to oppose them and require compromises would have been better. A budget like the one Carney presented wouldn't have passed.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes but I said realistic. NDP won't happen with our current system, much better chance with election reform.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I bet it would if younger people bothered to go vote or if voting was mandatory and/or proportional.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe but we have to work with what we have, believe me, we're on the same side, just trying to avoid a conservative majority

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago