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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 58 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Disable them by removing them yourself.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

See the problem there is that it doesn't scale. You can only take down so many cameras.

Now if you convince the local scrappers that the things are full of copper...

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Well, don’t sell yourself short—one camera per person destroys them all. It’s gotta start somewhere.

I’m sure those cameras would probably resell somewhere. Sell them back to flock 🙃

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure. If all you can do is steal one camera, then steal one camera.

But...

Steal one camera, stop surveillance for a day. But teach a cracky to steal cameras for cash, stop surveillance for a generation.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 6 points 2 weeks ago

Made me lol, too!

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[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

"Genious Gray Hat creates open-source software to repurpose second-hand flock cameras for personal use; Flock cameras start flooding Craigslist and eBay"

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Problem is that many are clustered and in high-traffic areas. There's a triplet of them in one area near my neighborhood, covering entrance and exit of said area, so it's impossible to avoid detection.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 12 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Remove the devices. Like, go up to it and destroy it.

Obviously, wear a mask and common clothing

[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I bet they'd search for cell location records, in order to find who damaged the cameras. I hear that even turning your phone off won't help. Surely they'll be caught unless someone also leaves their phone at home.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 23 points 2 weeks ago

Well, don’t commit crimes with person items on your body of any kind.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 20 points 2 weeks ago

You should always leave your phone at home for that kind of thing. The same goes for protests.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
  • leave your phone at home
  • instead of destroying it, wrap it in duct tape or something like that, because afaik obstructing a camera owned by a private company which happens to be placed on public property is not illegal
[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

A paintball gun is a good option

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[–] SynAcker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I wonder if a laser of some sort could mess up the camera sensors

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Lasers are absolutely capable of this. A 1-watt laser could probably do it and, last time I checked, you can order 44-watt lasers online.

[–] rklm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A 1w laser will permanently blind you instantly. You can buy/build them very cheaply and easily, but a class 4 laser isn't a toy.

For perspective, the regular red laser pointers from your local store are like 5mW at most.

A 44w laser is probably an IR fiber laser used for tattoo removal or some industrial application. You can get them cheap, but they are not handheld. Also lasers that powerful tend to be pulsed.

Nichia makes 5w+ 445nm diodes that are small enough to fit in a flashlight

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm familiar. The 44W lasers I mentioned are blue diode lasers from consumer-grade laser cutters/engravers. They actually consist of multiple diodes with some optics that combine all the beams into a pretty small kerf. Last time I checked I was only able to find IR diode lasers up to 2W. I'm hoping to get my hands on an IR diode laser some day that I can stick on my CNC mill and make it a laser cutter as well but realistically those will have to be 2 separate devices. An IR diode laser would be a lot more stealthy for taking out Flock cameras...

Somewhere I have a 1W blue handheld laser that I bought in college and used to light blunts with. Wearing laser shades, of course.

At a place I worked at for a little while they had 16kW fiber lasers that could cut through steel like butter. It was magical.

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[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wondering if something like this would be enough?

Class IIIA Laser Output is <5mW

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Doubt it, <5mW is a laser pointer and I don't think is powerful enough to damage an eye.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

So you're saying my 5W laser could work? On it.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe something like a small battery powered laser engraver could zigzag across the lens and eventually damage the sensor.

However, to get that power from a distance would be large and prohibitively expensive for most people.

Good thinking though… a damaged sensor might be difficult to diagnose at first, leading to a longer replacement period.

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[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I heard Flock and other traffic cameras have had issues lately with people using paintball guns on them. Something about how easy it is to buy those and they can be quietly used. Real shame these punk kids keep vandalizing these corporations products, it must be terribly expensive.

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Baseball bat

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[–] jared@mander.xyz 19 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck Flock!

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ring is partnering with Flock so I'm in the process of replacing my Ring cameras.

Here's the legwork I did, feel free to add to this:

Blink is out because they're also Amazon and if Ring is partnering with Flock, it's only a matter of time.

TP Link Tapo - Four 4K cameras w/ local network storage. $629.95. "5BLACKFRIDAY" code drops it to under $600.

Eufy - Four 3K cameras w/ Network storage. $749.95. They have a more advanced camera that has a fixed 4K but only a 2K pan/tilt and that setup with local network storage is over $1,000.

Arlo - $18/mo. subscription. No thank you.

Wyze - No network storage, SD cards only.

Aosu is notably cheaper ($429.99 for 4 cameras + network storage), but is only a 2K camera, and in a security situation, I can't imagine that being a good idea. 😟 The price is GREAT though, so I guess if all your footage is close up, it would work well. If you need to read a license plate at distance? Er, em...

[–] RedMari@reddthat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm really happy with Reolink Trackmix cams.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's pretty slick too! Only drawback I see there is that the home hub is SD card based and maxxes out at 1 TB and other systems have 2.5" drive bays or NVME slots.

But hey, anything is better than Flock adjacent! 😉

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[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Eufy had those widely published security issues previously, they have apparently been addressed since - but their initial response has always left a bad taste in my mouth.

I’m happy with my TAPO C420 local recording and doorbell setup, but I know that they have also had a number of security concerns and required firmware updates.

If money is no issue, or rather - it can fit within your budget - Ubiquiti would be my pick, but it also requires an bigger investment into their ecosystem.

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[–] cycadophyta@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Death to flock and palantir

[–] LemUser@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are software based and either have bluetooth or wifi. Can't some wise person hack them and/or brick them?

[–] who@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The result would be more of your tax dollars going to Flock, for repairs or replacements.

The correct solution would be to ban them.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Don't underestimate the tactic of making it untenable by increasing the expense.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

I wish that was still as valid, but sheesh, these days operating for years on a massive loss with zero profits and empty promises is a Silicon Valley standard.

You'd have to convince enough investors that it was just a big cash black hole that was going nowhere.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 2 points 2 weeks ago

Gotta convince maga to tariff surveillance cameras

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It will be easier to ban them if they are shown to be ineffective because of constant vandalism. There's much less incentive to keep them and it becomes an easy win for politicians.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yup. "We don't have the funds to replace them this year." Next year, "We're not going to buy new ones because they'll just get destroyed and we'll have to replace them again."

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