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White House officials, at the start of the shutdown, were certain the Trump administration was better positioned to battle the left during a funding lapse.

In early October, several Trump administration officials had a friendly pool going of how long the shutdown would last. The White House, at the time, was confident Democrats would quickly fold.

No one guessed more than 10 days.

The account, relayed by a person close to the White House granted anonymity to discuss internal thinking, underscores just how much the administration miscalculated the Democrats’ will to keep the government closed even amid furloughs and imperiled social programs like food assistance.

As the shutdown heads into its second month, Donald Trump is increasingly frustrated. On Thursday, he called for Republicans to abolish the filibuster to reopen the government — a plea he knows is futile, but that demonstrates his growing irritation with Democrats, said a second person close to the White House.

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[–] snooggums@piefed.world 137 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

the administration miscalculated the Democrats’ will to keep the government closed

No, Democrats will isn't about being the government closed. It is the Democrat's will to stand up for affordable healthcare.

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[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Republicans, with majority control of all three branches of government, have proven themselves inept, incompetent, irresponsible and generally incapable of successfully governing? Surely this is just a one time thing and not part of a continuing cycle that has repeated itself numerous times through the lifespans of the same voters who elected them! /s

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Well what else would you vote for… gEnOcIdE?

Don’t you know your vote is wasted unless you vote for Jill Stein to lose again? BIDEN IS HITLER!

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[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Donald Taco, overseer of the greatest longest biggest shutdown in US history. Congrats

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago

Aaaaaand the second longest one too!

[–] seitzer@piefed.social 44 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

In early October, several Trump administration officials had a friendly pool going of how long the shutdown would last.

They are betting on the misery of their own voters. And 50% of your voters still think all of this is super ok? Can someone ELI5 how that is possible without a mob forming because I really can't follow anymore.

[–] fusionsaint@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There has been a concerted effort on the right to isolate a dumb down voters for years. There was a solid documentary a number of years back I think it was called outfoxed where they explained how after Nixon was defeated a group of right wingers swore they would create a system where that would never happen again. Surprisingly, they succeeded. Trump is the result of that. When he said he could walk out in a Times Square shoot someone and no one would care he was correct. They have insulated isolated and dumb down their voting base so much that he could do or say whatever he wants and get away with it because they think he’s winning and therefore They are winning. A comedian said it best recently: MAGA supporters are like the guy at the local strip club who thinks that the stripper is in love with them when in reality the stripper doesn’t give a fuck about you and just wants your money. That’s what this entire administration is. They’re going to rob this country blind completely destroy it and then walk away with billions of dollars while the rest of us have to suffer through this shit storm they created. But no one will care because Black people brown people poor people us anybody else than me is suffering just a little bit more than me and that’s good enough for them because they’ve been told to think like that and they’re okay accepting that.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I believe that comedian was Josh Johnson.

It was a fantastic set the compares the blind faith of MAGA for Dump to some dude in love with a stripper who only wants the money.

There's way too many of his sets that include Dump for me to link the specific one, but he has weekly releases on TubeYou.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They feel like they're winning as long as groups they don't relate to are made to suffer even more.

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I remain as shocked as you. When Trump was the candidate in 2024 I figured Kamala's victory was guaranteed. What I've come to realize in recent years is that USAmericans are fundamentally unwise. They really vote based on what they feel in the moment, hence why as the country gets worse, the elections keep flip-flopping.

Trump lost in 2020 because of Covid-19 and won in 2024 because of "grocery prices" and being the opposite major party to the current guy. The fact that he's an insurrectionist rapist conman who pioneered division and destruction just doesn't matter to them. The 2016-2020 term? The Pandemic he failed to maintain? Forgotten about. The embarrassments in the Republican-held congress? Most voters don't even recall them. How any of us live with this is beyond me. It's like being held hostage by self destructive parents.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hold the line until he’s dead

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

One of the few surefire ways people have to make the powerful face personal consequences: waste their time.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago

It’s depressing to think that the most punishment they will ever receive is the feeling the rest of us get waiting in a long line.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The hold the line even longer, until everyone associated with him has been held accountable.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 weeks ago

It’s a long line if you want everyone ;)

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Says the guy weaponizing the DOJ against his opponents right after accusing the other side of doing the same.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In this administration, every accusation is an admission.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

... just like with Russian diplomacy

[–] halloween_spookster@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"frustrated"?! People are literally starving because of their greed, their ego, their complete lack of empathy

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

People are literally starving

Which means it's working exactly the way they want.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Frustrated they can’t just steamroll everything, the dems are forcing the republicans to own their shitty policy they are trying to get the dems to vote for.

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[–] aramis87@fedia.io 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“Trump, he’s had it with these people, because he knows they’re playing politics,”

Lmao.

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 15 points 2 weeks ago

Who'd have thought politicians would play politics when doing politics?

[–] oyo@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Democrats' plan: we'll pay half so you only have to spend all of your life savings on healthcare

Republicans' plan: die you fucking plebs

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Democrats: it’s not perfect enough

Republicans: fuck you and die

You: “both sides are the same.”

“Also,combined with my lack of patience towards the arch of history I’m just gonna take a shit on the whole conversation and offer no other option just cause I’m so smart”

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago

Basic human rights is a hill to die on, and Republicans are trying to take everything away.

Who the hell can even support them anymore? They would have to be living in a bubble.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 weeks ago

Oh well. Too bad about their frustrated expectations.

But I won't really be happy until justice is done, to each and every one of them, and everything that Trump has corrupted has been rooted out and rescinded.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My prediction is that it will end this week when federal ATC employees stop showing up for work, thus directly affecting the quality of life of republican lawmakers and their billionaire donors. That's exactly why the last "longest shutdown in history" ended too.

Starving people? Hardly an inconvenience to the ultra rich. Can't fly their private jet? One phone call to Trump and the shutdown is over that afternoon.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Have ATC employees actually decided to stop showing up this week?

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Trump lost the last shutdown in one of the most humiliating political defeats of his Presidency. Did he think this one would be different?

[–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 8 points 2 weeks ago

As this continues, I would highly recommend folks support their local food pantries as they are able. Cash is better, but there's nothing wrong with a food drive to collect cans from your neighbors. Some pantries also accept fresh produce, if you have some left from your garden this year.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

No they aren't.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Three days tops.

[–] hanrahan@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

the left

Lol.. Thae what now ? Jow about centre right.

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