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Framework under fire for Omarchy/DHH/Hyprland support? (crimier.github.io)
submitted 2 months ago by Curmuffin@fedia.io to c/technology@beehaw.org
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You might’ve noticed Framework, the laptop manufacturer, embroiled in a controversy as of now. The Discord server is on lockdown because the volunteer moderation team has gone on hiatus, and the Framework forum post about the controversy has been gaining unsightly amounts of steam from people disappointed at actions taken by Framework.

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[–] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Pretty good post about the situation. I would just add a few thing :

The harasement from the hyperland project got so bad they are banned from FreeDesktop.org and I've seen how many talented people gave up on working on the Linux ecosystem because of that.

Right to repair does not match well with right wing politics (TL;DR AuthRight need control and in lib-right absolute capitalism having reparable stuff is a surefire to kill your company ) but it's a murky and difficult subject so I understand why it's not mentioned.

Also of note, framework didn't advertise thoose project on fedi/mastodon so this seems like they had known from the start a backlash would occur.

[–] Kissaki@beehaw.org 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The harasement from the hyperland project got so bad they are banned from FreeDesktop.org and I’ve seen how many talented people gave up on working on the Linux ecosystem because of that.

Just to clarify, you mean the harassment alienated contributions, not the freedesktop ban, right?

[–] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not sure I understand your question but to clarify :

Hyperland team and comunity members harassed FDO members and got banned from the freedesktop comunity.

The harasement from hyperland members pushed away fdo contributors who were working on wayland protocols

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 1 points 2 months ago

Right to repair does not match well with right wing politics (TL;DR AuthRight need control and in lib-right absolute capitalism having reparable stuff is a surefire to kill your company ) but it's a murky and difficult subject so I understand why it's not mentioned.

While I agree, especially around farming, right to repair is a massive topic and advocated for strongly. It's weird that they'd then advocate against it with their other views, but logic hasn't existed in politics for longer than I've been alive, so yeah.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

For fucks sake. A big tent is nice and all, but I am not entering any tent that has fucking fascists in it.

Very happy with my Framework 13. I hope I can keep recommending it to people without feeling it's at odds with my values.

It's not like other producers are realistically better, but I kinda expect Framework to be good.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

the problem with framework is that their products are quite a bit worse than their competitors (outside of repairability, ofc)

you buy their stuff because you want to support them and their values

…so what happens when their values aren’t worth supporting anymore?

there are other repairable laptop manufacturers out there, not as hype-y as framework for sure but still repairable, like System76, Tuxedo, Slimbook, etc.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have tried to buy good laptops in the past (ThinkPads) and have been profoundly disappointed, part of the appeal of the Framework for me was that I could choose myself exactly what I wanted from my laptop. And I really couldn't be happier with the hardware - build quality and everything is really great, and a completely different league from machines I have wasted money on in the past even though I tried my best to do my research.

It's possible I should have tried System76 or Tuxedo, but I am really very happy with my Framework. Don't think it makes sense to say it's worse than the competition. But of course, a small company + repairability is reflected in the price.

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 3 points 2 months ago

I can say the same about my Framework 16. Best laptop I've owned, in terms of the features I care about anyway.

But also, I'd like to be able to advocate for it without worrying about the association.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 months ago

the worst part of framework's response is their "oh we partner with anybody we don't see politics"; which is literally just the "if there's a nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 nazis"

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

DHH is a massive piece of shit. I keep seeing his stupid name popping back up recently and I wish he would go the fuck away. No community needs his toxic views.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

good thing is most of the rails community think the same thing and actively distance themselves from him

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I’ve been keeping track of that one and they are trying to get him removed from any sort of leadership role over the community.

He’s been a dirt bag for as far back as I can remember.

[–] rozodru@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it's because of his Arch .dotfiles believe it or not. People are hailing it as the "second coming" of linux.

[–] i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 months ago

It's not even good. It's just scripts for some starter Arch rice, not a serious distro.

[–] axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Vaxry is still pretty ableist, I think he's just better at hiding it now. https://mastodon.social/@acidiclight/115348200226656321

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago

tbf, that user doesn't mention when he said those things, from what I could see.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 31 points 2 months ago

If they want to support a Nazi, they clearly do not want my money. No problem.

[–] Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They can have a big tent without making it a Nazi bar, but still choose to do so. They deserve the consequences of that decision until they kick the fascists out of their tent.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I genuenly dont understand why a glorified set of dotfiles have recived such an enormous amount of donations and publicity. Not a good set of dotfiles mind you, in fact it looks like subpar compared to the many superior Hyprland dotfiles. Whats even more absurd is that people are saying "this will get people to use Linux", yeah im sure this is what Linux needs another distro thats slightly different.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those are the anti-woke crusaders, who think being decent to people gets in the way of literally everything. The creator, DHH, has many blog articles about great replacement theory and how Britain isn’t white enough anymore for his tastes.

Was sad to see Primagen put out a video praising Omarchy this week, but maybe he doesn’t know yet? Or maybe he does, I have no idea.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 10 points 2 months ago

Primeagen has interviewed DHH at least twice over the past 2 years, in hour+ videos posted to his YouTube channel. Including one where DHH goes unprompted into a pro-natalism rant.

Primeagen also just spent a week with some other creators working on a video game, sponsored by Cursor and on Framework desktops running Omarchy.

He is either sympathetic or apathetic to these issues - certainly doesn't seem to care about being decent to those not of his tribe.

[–] cityboundforest@beehaw.org 9 points 2 months ago

Welp, time for me to find a different laptop to purchase. My old HP went out after nearly 10 years of use (thank you, Linux) due to motherboard failure (source: I work in tech support and laptop repair, plus I took it to Best Buy for a second opinion). I'm using a loaner laptop from a friend as an in-between, and while it's not a bad laptop itself, I would like to get something, well, new. Plus I'm due for a stipend from work, so I'll definitely have the money for it.

I've always heard that Framework is a good laptop, and have even recommended it to someone at work, but now I'm not so sure. As for me personally, I'll have to hunt down a new laptop to purchase, as I definitely don't want to support someone who follows the "if you have 10 people who sit with 1 Nazi" saying. I did get some recommendations from a Best Buy worker, but then they all come with Windows, and while I do have a guide on how to make Windows more privacy-friendly (and I can always just install WSL), I was looking forward to keeping Linux as my daily driver (as I do on my desktop).

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I had a better brain I'd be writing like Arya here. Loved the little references to DC++ and Fallout: New Vegas.

Also, it's sad it's only now I realize what kind of guy DHH is. I've seen him a few times talking with Primeagen, so that was the extent of my knowledge about him up until now. And sad that Brodie Robertson is helping sanewash him, although I think Brodie is pretty oblivious when it comes to politics.

[–] rozodru@piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago

the comment section for Brodie's Omarchy video weren't much better to the point I honestly started thinking "did DHH pay a PR firm or something?" because you'll notice the SAME comments spread across several videos regarding Omarchy.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 7 points 2 months ago

Goddammit, Framework!

[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I understand why Framework would support Hyprland as it is warts and all because, I believe, it's one of the most famous/successful projects in its domain. But Omarchy? That shit is new and unproven, there are much better distros to support.

[–] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 months ago

I think there's some sort of a west coast trend towards immutable distros. Bazzite has the same kind of buzz. Haven't really met anyone that uses these distros around me, though.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 5 points 2 months ago

specifically, Twitter,

This is correct.

[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Insted of banning abrasive people from forums, we could flag them and use AI as a filter on everything they say in that forum. In a similar vein of how Overwatch dealt with trolls in their ingame chat. If you say "too easy" your message is replaced with something less abrasive. Take away their power to be assholes for no reason. Make it a little badge "I'm an asshole".

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 4 points 2 months ago

The problem comes from people responding to them, in communities that are text-first. You can flag a person as a troll... but unless you ban them, then eventually the discussions spill over.

Overwatch doesn't have that same issue, because text is not at its core; you can mute people, and keep playing the game. Game-disrupting players though, still get banned.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Given the amount of publicity they've received from all this, I'm inclined to be a bit conspiracy theoretic about this.... Did they plan it to unfold exactly like it did? Are you all helping them?

Controversy and infamy lasts for a few months, but after that's over, the name Framework is still etched into everyone's minds even though they don't anymore exactly remember why.

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I dunno, personally I'd rather know about this type of stuff - before this I'd have thought about buying or recommending it - it seems decent enough.

Although, I doubt I'd ever have bought one at those prices so maybe irrelevant. But this will be enough that even if i do win the premium bonds, I won't get one and I won't recommend anyone else. Some shit does continue to stink.

Any twat who thinks they are "building a wide tent" by tolerating nazis is pretty much a self defeating prophecy, or just a nazi trying to hide it.

I'd just rather the title was clearer - I have no idea what an 'omarchy/dhh/hyprland' is, and I don't see how those words help the headline at all. Though anything with "hh" is immediately suspect - so that gives a cryptic hints what the title might be insinuating. I think title should just say for 'promoting nazi stuff'. If anyone cares about the details of these obscure projects then they can read more of the article.

Do people feel they have to be crypto-antifascist now? That's a bit of a scary turn of events.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I cannot speak for anyone else, but a year ago I thought that I'd never buy a chinese laptop due to political reasons and here we are one year later and I have a Lenovo. I think most people will eventually make their decisions based on something else than politics, or that politics are in issue only when choosing between things that are identical enough in every other way.

[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 12 points 2 months ago

Well, the point of the article is that the selling point of a framework laptop lies only in its ethical and political nature. Without it, it's just an overprized computer. So if framework loses its ethical selling point by associating itself with right-wing projects, why shouldn't people buy a Lenovo laptop with better specs for less money instead?

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago

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