European driver's licenses don't have gender.
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In France I believe they do, they are all masculine. "le permis de conduire"
They're masculine in German too - "Der Lappen". Despite that fact, some men get quite upset when you call them Lappen. How dramatic 🙄
In polish they're neuter - "prawo jazdy", such a win for nb people
Are drivers licenses standard for all of the EU or do they vary by country?
They vary some in design elements, but mostly they we all have the pink card format license now, and the info on them are mostly standardised across all countries.
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They do state the ID-number, which has digits that can be used to determine the registered gender.
This is more in line with why non-binary came about. Though, broadly, it was always a rejection of the social or cultural concepts of gender—of which it was just the typical two. Somehow this attracted the idea of wanting to still have a gender (for some reason), just not one of the two existing ones. It has more practically evolved to this now.
Over time, those that once were non-binary have to explain themselves, which I find fucking ironic.
Ya can't just say, "I don't have one" or "I don't align to any" because it's a required field full of nonsense you don't follow and non-binary means something else now or at least opens people up to assuming you're one of many things you obviously are not.
N/A would be great.
Agender?
Yeah, that's how it rolls now, but you won't find that on a form.
And even if it were, of course, "You identify as an agender. What's that?"
"I'm not "an agender", it's a position. I just don't care for them. They don't matter or mean anything."
"So like a non-binary?"
"Yeah... Well, no. Look, I really don't fucking care. It's an identity thing so it's all up to your perception of me anyway. Whatever first pops in your head, just go with that. Just don't be surprised if I do things that don't fit into the social stereotypes of it or any of the other ones."
"I'm confused."
"Uuuuuugh. I'm just me, okay. Fuck, just imagine it's N/A and we'll move along... See, this is why-... ugh, nevermind."
This is exactly my approach to gender. I’m glad it matters so much to some, and that it can bring them great joy. To me it’s just not really a consideration.
I say he/him because it’s easy and problem free, but you’ll never view me with the same lens I do anyway, so it doesn’t actually matter. I know who I am.
This is why i just say 'queer' and tell people they dont need to know and dont have time for the truth. Sometimes i add 'which lie would you prefer?'.
which lie would you prefer?
Perfect.
Maybe it's time to stop giving so many shits about what is in people's chromosomes, between their legs, or what they prefer to fuck. This is so insanely engrained into modern society. If I see a bald little baby and tell the mother "he's very sweet, what's his name?" she may scowl and say "Her! It's a girl!" taking my polite gesture and souring it as if I did something offensive. How in the world did we end up caring so much about this? Obviously that situation is an easy mistake to make and bears no consequences whatsoever. Alternatively if you say" what's it's name" this is viewed as dehumanizing, you really can't win. Kid hasn't had a chance to even decide it's gender and we are all up in arms about what people call it as soon as it's born.
it's so insanely engrained into modern society
If you want to read something deeply uncomfortable about how language shapes society and how blind we are to the pervasiveness of gender: I think about this essay a lot (CW. Predudice)
https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html
Spoiler for after reading:
::: spoiler So I probably don't need to explain that it isn't about racism, it uses racism to explain how gendered our language is and how gross that looks to anyone who hasn't become numb to it over a lifetime. But some people I have shown this too have been very confused :::
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There have always been more than two genders, there were never two existing genders
That's subjective to the society, culture, and/or timeline. But there definitely hasn't "always been". At one point there were none. We'll get there again.
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Us licenses are crazy in general.
Why it needs to list your height, weight, eye colour and sex at all make no sense.
It's literally a tool meant to identify you. It listing obvious physical characteristics to describe you makes common sense. Simply having a picture isn't that descriptive considering it's just a headshot.
Why should a drivers license include more personal information than a passport does?
A passport has waaaay more personal info than a driver's liscense. That's been part of the move to chipped passports, they can now have basically any biometric data.
Personally I don't see an issue with height, weight, eye color, etc. None of that is exactly a secret, a fairly unobtrusive way to narrow down identification. The only thing I think is iffy is address but that's often out of date anyway. I've also only ever heard of that used to mail lost wallets.
Weight's kinda stupid seeing as it can vary so easily
I had to go back to my car for my wallet at Costco recently because I'd lost so much weight since the membership photo was taken in April, they didn't believe it was me. (60 pounds down!)
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Optical identification.
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My country DOES have an option to remove the gender marker from ID and all official docs/files BUT it's only for intersex people 🙃
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In my state (in Australia) we don't have a gender marker on our licenses at all, which is great for every other time you use a license. But a cop can just pull your file on their computer and it displays it there. Seems like the pawblem is just cops, i dunno fam ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sex: yes
Gender: no
why does a license even need sex, though? like when is it ever used as proof of identity by dropping your pants?
why does a license even need sex, though?
It gets lonely
Sometimes I find mine cuddling with my CC.
look at mister goosmoos here, thinks licenses should be condemned to never fuck
they can handle it themselves like the rest of us if they get the urge
handle it themselves
my license ain't got hands is mine defective
The license already has a picture. Neither sex nor gender provide any value in identification, and have lead to misidentification of cis people too.
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100% agree.
In a country that continues to segregate and discriminate by gender, you're going to keep getting government stamp your documentation for proper sorting.
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