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[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 57 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I wouldn’t be surprised if most ships received this call several times. Specially exploration ships.

Except for the one at sector 001, I think they were pranked.

Edit: had to redact my comment to not waste the excellent reference someone made below.

[–] essell@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

You might think it's a long way down to the shops, but that's just peanuts compared to space.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even if you could travel at Lightspeed, it would still take forever to get most places.

You can travel for 8+ billion years at light speed and still not hit the end.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Even if you were able to travel from one side of the galaxy to the other, you've have to travel that exact length about 25 more times just to reach the edge of the closest galaxy, Andromeda.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

People make fun of 40k for how outlandish some of the scale is, but I think it's the only canon that understands the massive amount of resources a galactic-wide empire would have at their disposal. Doubly so when it's willing to genocide any alien races, strip mine the planet they were on, and ignore even a pretense of caring about human rights. But even a more benign empire should have ridiculous amounts of ships and weapons and people available to it.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

While not a 40k nerd by any stretch, what I've been exposed to absolutely tracks with this assessment. The writers behind it very clearly did some deep thought-exercises about the possible ramifications of such mind-boggling scale. Including what values might be normalized if you toss out the idea that mankind itself has such an inconceivably enormous headcount that extinction isn't even a consideration, no matter what happens.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Except for the one at sector 001

the borg is a joke to you? nah fuck this guy, I lost people at wolf 359 !

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The borg are cold calculating killer machines, no laughing matter!

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

ngl I'd watch a mr bean x borg crossover.

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (4 children)

In fairness, for the last one, she says they're the closest ship, not necessarily the only ship.

I remember a list of things you never see on Star Trek, and one item was, "There's a nearby emergency, but another ship is available and can deal with it to everyone's satisfaction."

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"There's a nearby emergency, but another ship is available and can deal with it to everyone's satisfaction."

That's the very subject of a recent entry:

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I kinda feel for Capt. Borg Fodder here.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“There’s a nearby emergency, but another ship is available and can deal with it to everyone’s satisfaction.”

two weeks later....

"we need you to search for the other ship, it never checked in after the emergency!"

shame, could be a fun trope.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I feel like that does happen a lot, doesn't it?

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we just don't see the first message

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To be completely fair, that's a non-event. It's hard to write an episode around "nothing happened."

At the same time, it's a missed opportunity for a "slice-of-life" episode - something the Japanese have down to a science at this point. These give a series breathing room, adds some worldbuilding, develops characters in a more personal way, and can be a ton of fun to watch. So, an episode where everyone screws around on shift, with PADDs just full of news about other ships saving the day would be great.

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact - this is what Data's Day was actually about.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

How easily I forget. IMO, TNG could have used a few more like this.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago

There was a TNG episode where they had two federation ships watching a .... planet explode? Maybe a stream of asteroids needed to be deflected? They were all like "they can handle it, but if something unexpected happens, we would hate to be caught with our pants down." Then the other ship exploded or something.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The Motion Picture was especially bad because that was freakin Sector 001. How did Starfleet allow Earth to have only one appropriate ready to deploy ship in the neighborhood?

I think it would have made more sense for Starfleet to insist that Kirk command the mission to engage the intruder, and then Kirk demanded that he take the Enterprise (ready or not) or else he wouldn't go. It would fit into his apparent obsession with recreating and reliving the glory days of the original five year mission.

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They were less concerned about story in TMP and more about showing 5-minute clips of their models moving through space.

[–] marlowe221@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They were some good 5 minute clips though…

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But then there's the creditless overture with a starry backdrop for 2-1/2 minutes before the titles. An odd choice.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 4 points 3 months ago

That was not uncommon for big expensive movies back then. It was the franchise attempting to appear legitimate and grown up in its first entry into theaters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_overtures

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Happens AGAIN in Generations. The Enterprise B is taking an inaugural cruise out to Pluto and back, "A quick run around the block," and dialog indicates they weren't even going to do that under warp drive. So they get the call that they're the only ship in range, while well inside the Sol system.

In Star Trek V, we get the exchange "Sir with all due respect, the Enterprise is a disaster, are there other ships in range?" "Other ships, yes. But no experienced captains. We need Jim Kirk."

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Proving conclusively that the one with the whales is the best one.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

I love IV. It’s less a Star Trek movie and more of a fish-out-water comedy featuring our favourite crew

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The one where USS Saratoga was the only ship in the quadrant and they got dick shit done.

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Let's not forget that the energy ribbon swings by very close to Earth every 37 years or something like that, yet it seems to be a complete surprise.

Also the two ships were transporting El Aurian refugees, which opens a whole new set of questions. Refugees...from the Borg?!

I still like the movie though.

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Q is afraid of El Aurians, Guinan in particular. If I were Borg, I would leave the job undone and flee, too.

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but did no one ask, "So, uh, who you running from?" Why would the El Aurians not tell them?

(Of course, the El Aurians may have been fleeing something else.)

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Maybe they were telling everybody about Borg and no one would believe them.

You know, the nuts and bolts of Generations just don't hold up to scrutiny, the sci fi mumbo jumbo about how the ribbon/nexus works is not well crafted and does not hold up to Trekkie "umm why didn't he just fly a shuttle into the Nexus"-ing.

But tear the skin off it with a gardening trowel and you'll find a kickass theme: Heroes cannot tolerate heaven.

Both Kirk and Picard enter the Nexus with regrets, Picard over the death of his brother and having never raised a family of his own, Kirk in choosing his career over the woman he loves. Both find themselves in an environment that offers this reality directly to them in 4k HDR, but they can't accept it, and instead choose to re-enter reality to make a difference. Because heaven ain't no place for no heroes to call home.

Though, backing up a little bit, it does boil down to two men who have chosen duty over family over and over again throughout their careers choosing duty over family again, except this time the "family" choice is presented to them a bit more vividly than usual.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

How did Starfleet allow Earth to have only one appropriate ready to deploy ship in the neighborhood?

Around that time Starfleet was likely overhauling most of their ships or decommissioning older ones to be replaced. There may have been dozens of ships in the system, and Utopia Planetia or San Francisco Shipyards but they were in worse shape than the refit Enterprise. And even if there were others they likely wanted a Frontline ship with one of the most revered officers onboard than, say some rando under equipped Oberth with a B-team science crew of 70, or an outdated TOS-style last in line for refit.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Well, Starfleet is huge, but I guess space is hugier...

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I feel embiggened somehow

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

The dots on the Lite Brite behind Spock are the other ships. Their weapons will be installed next Tuesday.

[–] mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago
[–] randomuser38529@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Why does James Doohan look like a young Pedro Pascal - or is it the other way around?