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This unfolded on "United States | News & [email protected]". Owner 'seahorse' showing the kind of person they are.

This is not how you run a server.

Edit: link to comment:

https://midwest.social/comment/11535311

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

So server admins are how we get the Reddit mod experience

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

yeah i have my problems with midwest. i think a succinct way to put it is that instance does not appreciate the federation process.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I've never blocked an instance.

If I block an instance, that blocks all users too, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Confirmed its real, and now I am blocking that instance. Thanks for the info. There is enough content on lemmy, a few instances can be excluded.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah it’s definitely real, I came across it in my feed before seeing this post. Guy seems like a real arsehole.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I personally think that's a bit much to block an entire instance over when just one admin is being mildly annoying. Their comment is basically nothing imo lol. Compare that to the OP of this post whose profile picture is a cartoon pony from a children's show having an orgasm.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

It's almost like a community made of opinionated nerds loves making fake drama and being whiny bitches in general.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

"Can't even downvote in Ohio"

For those who don't know what this means, but want to, you can read https://www.distractify.com/p/what-does-ohio-mean-slang and https://www.distractify.com/p/only-in-ohio-tiktok-meme.

TLDR it's a phrase that people use now similar to "Florida man".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sorry to hear, I love the Lotr memes community

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Never too late to make your own. Especially if enough people decide this is worth blocking the instance entirely.

[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Thank god we’re doing things on more than world

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I remember there was a far right mastodon server

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I remember it was smth else

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

But it is.

Lemmy isn't set up to create a set of fairly moderated communities with buy-in from users. It is set up so anyone can be a dictator on their own server.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yup. But thankfully, it's also set up so they can quickly become dictators of their own little desert island.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

That's the beautiful thing about lemmy. If I don't like the current dictator, I can easily switch to a more benevolent leader.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Users can still quickly leave until they found a fair admin

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

And when the fair become unfair then we move onto the next, as it should be!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I feel like relying on benevolent dictators only to run communities isn't the best option.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Admins are legally responsible for anything that gets posted on their server, so they require control. They also put in time and money to keep the server running.

There may be other technologies where all-powerful admins aren't necessary, like peer-to-peer networks. But then everything gets much more complicated. No more opening a website and entering username and password, now users need to install a client first and use a private key. It's not clear who is responsible for moderation. Scaling will be much more difficult. Users don't want to store gigabytes of historical data on their devices, so some servers are still needed. The way Activitypub and Lemmy works is really a hybrid between normal websites which is a well-known paradigm, and p2p which is still experimental. The p2p part is only done on the server because it would be too complex otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

This question has been discussed at length in the thread. If people want to boycott Lemmy and switch to Mbin or Piefed, that's their choice, but maybe not relevant in this context?

Their comment here is valuable, posting this screenshot every time they comment seems counter productive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying that admins don't require control. What I'm saying is that there isn't an ability to distribute admin and mod duties on Lemmy in a more granular sense. There is only one admin head or one mod head and that can lead to mod issues the same that Reddit had.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I suppose this could be improved, but not sure how exactly. Afaik there is no issue about this yet, and anyway we lack development resources to implement everything. Sometimes I imagine how much we could achieve if Lemmy had 2000 employees like Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Afaik there is no issue about this yet

There have been issues with it, with don't somewhat popular instances becoming ghost towns because of admin actions. Part of the problem is that Lemmy out of the box doesn't really allow for anything other than one benevolent dictator.

anyway we lack development resources to implement everything

This is open source. There should be a published plan on development and a call for help to the community. If development can't transfer to a model where multiple groups develop different parts of the development plan, Lemmy isn't going to be able to grow.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

We will soon get a new round of funding from NLnet, once that is finalized we will publish a blog post with the milestones.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

..so was this about his take on the Gaza war? That he thought support for Palestine would lead to a loss of democracy?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

No they’re saying that’s what people criticizing the protestors are arguing. I think their take is perfectly acceptable but the power tripping is pretty rough

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah, exactly. He's saying that if you vote for Kamala in order to end the genocide in Gaza and prevent Trump from bombing the West Bank, then you're letting the fascists win and democracy is dead. He thinks we should all be apathetic towards Palestine and do nothing as a show of "symbolic" support for Gazans.