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Israel’s war in Gaza is chipping away at so much of what we – in the United States but also internationally – had agreed upon as acceptable, from the rules governing our freedom of speech to the very laws of armed conflict. It seems no exaggeration to say that the foundation of the international order of the last 77 years is threatened by this change in the obligations governing our legal and political responsibilities to each other.

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[–] known_unknown@lemmy.world 216 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

The Jewish people of the world deserve apology from the government of isreal for using their suffering as a political tool in service of genocide.

In conflating politics and imperialism with lineage and race, the political movement of Zionism sows incalculable hatred into the world in the name of Judaism, so that they can reap it later, when Jewish people suffer as meat shields, as justification for expansionism, and forever-war. Down with this theocratic shell game.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 89 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

As someone who is a Jewish refugee in the US, there are more than enough Jewish folks in Israel and around the US who are completely fine with what the government of Israel is doing. They should not be let off the hook. I say this fully realizing that the pro Palestinian sentiment has a large Jewish constituency in the US. So it’s not to paint with a broad brush. But people living in Israel are almost 3/4 in support of what is happening and the only protests in that country were from people who wanted to rescue the hostages but were fully on board with the horrors the country is committing in the name of Jews around the world. The conflation of a religion with an ethnicity will end up making us less safe.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 27 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

That's not because they're Jewish, though, it's because they've let their ego and pride overcome their empathy for their fellow human beings.

There's plenty of non-Jewish people who are also perfectly happy to profit off the suffering of Palestinians.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (5 children)

Those were absolutely not the only protests in Israel, those were the only protests in Israel that got coverage and support from the government. The protests against what was happening were violently suppressed and silenced as has been happening for quite some time. Yes the large anti netanyahu protests made little mention of Palestinians rather than ceasefire deals to bring the hostages home but that is how you bring people together politically.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

My pro-palestinian praxis is making sure my Jewish neighbours have no reason to even think about aliyah. Jewish safety? It's here. Reverse doikayt.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 109 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Zionism is a destructive toxic ideology of fascistic bloodlust and racial supremacy. It is the true descendent of Nazi ideology.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 37 points 19 hours ago (29 children)

Given that the Zionist movement was founded decades before the Nazi movement, I would say Nazis are the descendants.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Well, 19th century zionism was a different thing. Optionally but not necessarily evil. Sometimes it was as benign as 'lets all go somewhere and join a community together ajd bring the ways that we're cool to that community and even if they dont totally like us, they can't hate us more than these assholes'.

So it is fair to say that the idea of zionism that 'won', the genocidal theocratic ethnostate, is at least to some extent based on both the nazis, and some of the same esoteric bs the nazis were into.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 45 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

More accurately, they’re both separate descendants of ethnonationalism which was a popular ideology at that time. And still today, evidently, though it seemed to be in decline for a bit during the post-war period.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

the Mayans missed it by like ... 15 years

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 35 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

The split is between governments and the general public. I don't know too many individuals who are ok with what is going on. And if they are, they are being awfully quiet about it.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 17 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

You should go and read some daily mail comments on articles about the war (genocide). They're a bunch of frothing murderous horrors.

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Internet comments != real people

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 16 hours ago

As someone who has to deal with real people at demonstrations regularly, these horrible genocidal sentiments are not just limited to internet trolls unfortunately.

Also as much as they are detached from the general population, all the politicians and Israel lobbyists and MIC lobbyists still are real people too.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 18 hours ago

Those articles always get a bunch of trolls though.

[–] madlian@lemmy.cafe 19 points 18 hours ago

The people who are okay with it are the ones who hate the Muslims. Which is a shockingly large number of people and governments.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 5 points 17 hours ago

But those people still elect those parties thst support israel. Why those parties would listen to people?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (8 children)

Is it? I don't even hear anything out of the Arab states. It should but I don't see much.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

In repression of counter speech against genocide in almost all western countries to some degree their hand has been shown once again to be prioritizing order over law's rotting corpse.

[–] Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 5 points 15 hours ago

Not order. It's control and oppression, a tale as old as mankind.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

I'm pretty sure it's just Trump breaking the world order and eroding the freedom of Americans.

When the Israel-Hamas war is over do you really think everything is going to go back to normal in the US and the rest of the world?

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Myopic US take. The Israel lobby is all through the western world and has pushed almost every government into the corner of accepting this racist genocidal war lest they be labelled anti-Semitic.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 hours ago

The complicity of many national governments in this genocide, including my own (Canada), will be remembered with disdain.

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