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Israel’s war in Gaza is chipping away at so much of what we – in the United States but also internationally – had agreed upon as acceptable, from the rules governing our freedom of speech to the very laws of armed conflict. It seems no exaggeration to say that the foundation of the international order of the last 77 years is threatened by this change in the obligations governing our legal and political responsibilities to each other.

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[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

Late stage capitalism is killing the world

[–] razen@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

When are we going to talk about African wars?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

When the US starts being the primary funder of them.

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

There isn’t any difference between American arms and israeli arms

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

It's actually China and Russia who's funding them currently.

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

China and Russia are funding the anti “resistance“. It’s just a proxy war. Same exact thing the Afghanistan war was about

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The genocide in Sudan is funded by the UAE which is an American proxy and best friends with Israel.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz -3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

If we consider UN as being the main arbitrator on who gets to launch a war, then to mention a few instances....

1950: North Korea illegally attacks South Korea.

1956: Soviet Union illegally invades Hungary.

1956: Israel / France / UK illegally invade Egypt. All invaders withdraw after UN condemnation and international pressure.

1964: USA illegally escalates Vietnam War.

1967: Israel launches the Six-Day War, illegality debated.

1968: Soviet Union illegally invades Czechoslovakia.

1973: Egypt and Syria attack Israel.

1974: Turkey illegally invades Cyprus.

1978: Vietnam illegally invades Cambodia.

1979: Soviet Union illegally invades Afghanistan.

1982: Israel illegally invades Libanon.

1983: USA illegally invades Grenada.

1989: USA illegally invades Panama.

1990: Iraq illegally invades Kuwait. Got their ass kicked though so that worked out fine.

1999: NATO illegally bombs Yugoslavia.

2003: US and UK illegally invade Iraq.

2008: Russia illegally invades Georgia.

2014: Russia illegally invades and annexes Crimea.

2015: Saudi-Arabia illegally invades Yemen.

2022: Russia illegally invades Ukraine.

I probably forgot a few. No ill meaning meant, just missing knowledge.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

You really have to do whataboutism on every post concerning Israel.

1967: Israel launches the Six-Day War, illegality debated.

Nice how you question the illegality of Israel doing war crimes.

[–] McDropout@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Hasbara bots are now on Lemmy 🥀

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 25 minutes ago

Only here on .world they banished everywhere else.

[–] known_unknown@lemmy.world 174 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

The Jewish people of the world deserve apology from the government of isreal for using their suffering as a political tool in service of genocide.

In conflating politics and imperialism with lineage and race, the political movement of Zionism sows incalculable hatred into the world in the name of Judaism, so that they can reap it later, when Jewish people suffer as meat shields, as justification for expansionism, and forever-war. Down with this theocratic shell game.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 65 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

As someone who is a Jewish refugee in the US, there are more than enough Jewish folks in Israel and around the US who are completely fine with what the government of Israel is doing. They should not be let off the hook. I say this fully realizing that the pro Palestinian sentiment has a large Jewish constituency in the US. So it’s not to paint with a broad brush. But people living in Israel are almost 3/4 in support of what is happening and the only protests in that country were from people who wanted to rescue the hostages but were fully on board with the horrors the country is committing in the name of Jews around the world. The conflation of a religion with an ethnicity will end up making us less safe.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 17 points 9 hours ago

That's not because they're Jewish, though, it's because they've let their ego and pride overcome their empathy for their fellow human beings.

There's plenty of non-Jewish people who are also perfectly happy to profit off the suffering of Palestinians.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

My pro-palestinian praxis is making sure my Jewish neighbours have no reason to even think about aliyah. Jewish safety? It's here. Reverse doikayt.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

I'm pretty sure it's just Trump breaking the world order and eroding the freedom of Americans.

When the Israel-Hamas war is over do you really think everything is going to go back to normal in the US and the rest of the world?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 hours ago

Read the article. The most egregious violations occurred during the Biden administration. Biden is better at Trump as a whole, but on the Gaza issue, both have support for Israel locked in at 100%. People often fall for the marketing - Biden virtue signals while Trump vice signals. Biden made a few token show gestures towards Palestinian rights, and Trump gleefully celebrates his cruelty. But in terms of actual tangible support for Israel? Trump's record is a direct continuation of Biden's. The Biden admin for example were the first ones to propose the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. That isn't something Trump came up with - he just vice signaled with his stupid 'Gaza riviera' plan, while Biden's plan for ethnic cleansing was discussed quietly.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

Myopic US take. The Israel lobby is all through the western world and has pushed almost every government into the corner of accepting this racist genocidal war lest they be labelled anti-Semitic.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

The complicity of many national governments in this genocide, including my own (Canada), will be remembered with disdain.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

the Mayans missed it by like ... 15 years

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 92 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Zionism is a destructive toxic ideology of fascistic bloodlust and racial supremacy. It is the true descendent of Nazi ideology.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 31 points 13 hours ago (26 children)

Given that the Zionist movement was founded decades before the Nazi movement, I would say Nazis are the descendants.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 39 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

More accurately, they’re both separate descendants of ethnonationalism which was a popular ideology at that time. And still today, evidently, though it seemed to be in decline for a bit during the post-war period.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Is it? I don't even hear anything out of the Arab states. It should but I don't see much.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 30 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

The split is between governments and the general public. I don't know too many individuals who are ok with what is going on. And if they are, they are being awfully quiet about it.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 16 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

You should go and read some daily mail comments on articles about the war (genocide). They're a bunch of frothing murderous horrors.

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[–] madlian@lemmy.cafe 16 points 13 hours ago

The people who are okay with it are the ones who hate the Muslims. Which is a shockingly large number of people and governments.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

In repression of counter speech against genocide in almost all western countries to some degree their hand has been shown once again to be prioritizing order over law's rotting corpse.

[–] Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 hours ago

Not order. It's control and oppression, a tale as old as mankind.

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