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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

How about a general strike? More than protests but non-violent.

It worked for Germany after WW I.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 hours ago

I 100% support a general strike, but (1) I think that's a lot more difficult to organize than revolt, which can be spontaneous, and (2) I don't think a general strike and a revolt are mutually exclusive tactics.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

When in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.

-United States Declaration of Independence

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 8 points 7 hours ago

The declaration really can't be highlighted like that. It undermines the gravity of the letter, but I understand people don't like to read.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.

Essentially, they say that people are willing to endure suffering for the sake of not having to change their lives. But Then it follows that with

But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism

When all people can no longer ignore that the government is forcing everything to have an absolute ruler, the people will come to the conclusion that the government must end by force.

While a lot of people agree with this, it's not enough. When I go to work, everyone is still going about their day like nothing has really changed. Too many people still have shelter, food, and medicine. That's about to change now. And when people experience that, that is the time they will overthrow.

The reason they want revolutionary violence to occur earlier than later is because they still have the opportunity to turn the most brain washed against the rest of us.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The only times americans revolted against their government was when americans were fighting to KEEP slavery. So I wouldnt get my hopes up.

[–] frog@feddit.uk 17 points 9 hours ago

While this is true, the Million Man March was not supposed to be a peaceful protest. Malcolm X talked about how Martin Luther King's speech pacified what could have been a turning point in history.

Also the government has destroyed any positive movements but making laws indirectly making those movements illegal and killing leaders of any significant movement.

The anti marijuana laws is a great example of shutting down a hippie movement and any positive black groups at the time.

The killing of leaders is also particularly damaging because new leaders weren't able to trust people in their own organization. For example the man that killed Malcolm X was from his own movement. This created paranoia for people with in the movements.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 64 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That's what all their guns are for, right? Not just for shooting minorities and kids, right?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

It’s a great way to get arrested or killed, scare people away from resistance for fear of their safety, and embolden fascism by turning a constitutionally protected peaceful resistance into a domestic threat.

How many people with guns do you estimate it takes to overthrow the largest military in the world by force?

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

One good guy with a 9mm is all it takes to take down a bad guy with 300 reaper drones

[–] ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

50 million? The population of the US is something like 340 million and there are more guns than people in this country.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Cool. Our largest nationwide protest was ~11M, most of whom were elderly. So you agree we need to grow our numbers.

Small factions of violence have historically proven to reduce resistance numbers and justify the implementation of assembly-restricting legislation.

https://tedxboulder.com/speakers/erica-chenoweth

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

tThe scary part to me is the imbalance of power and how few are aware of it. Yeah we have a bunch.of guns around here, but how many people actually can use them in a meaningful way? How many would know what to do if THEY were being shot at? Handful of retired vets, some people with a little training, but few have ever experienced active combat.

Never mind the fact that money is the real deal breaker. Government has drones upon drones. They have satellite imagery, cameras all over the place, they could easily shut down phone and internet connectivity as well as power. Collect phone data off of a certain area, set up a perimeter and use everyone stupid phones as a tracking beacon. Send in some drones for visibility some for strikes and push in military to clean up what's left.

Thats the thing nobody talks about. Going from our current pseudo-democracy to totalitarianism is little more than the flip of a switch by a crazy old man. They are under the illusion that it can't or won't happen. It 100% can. Nobody gives a shit about the nowhere places like great plains states, it would happen in major cities and surrounding regions. Take over, set up checkpoints. Once under control, sell them off to billionaires who would enact all their crazy control fetishes. One for zuck, one for theil, bezos will want one, maybe musky. Some people will escape to the useless regions like the south, central states or whatever, nobody will bother too much. If some sort of resistance grows, drop a few bombs to remind them that they're being watched. Cut off food, energy, blow upna few bridges and roads wait until winter.

I'm sure multiple versions of this have been modeled out within the military intelligence groups. Nobody is coming to save us. The rich people dont give a shit about this country, they only care about themselves. Nobody in the military is going to stage a coup, they would not stand a chance anyway and it would be a death sentence for anyone they know or love.

The only hope is that the crazy old bastard dies before he really decides to go full Looney toons. Its clear who runs this country; they always have but now they are no longer content to own an absurd amount of it, they want it ALL.

[–] ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I wasn't suggesting we become violent yet, I was just answering your question. The population is definitely large enough for these protests and a violent revolution if it's ever required.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

The population is, sure. The important thing to remember is that a violent resistance will always be smaller than a peaceful one, and the current size of our peaceful resistance is too small for a violent resistance to succeed.

[–] manigordo@lemy.lol 11 points 8 hours ago

I work for an US company and I got a day off, it is curious, cause Im from Costa Rica, and I belong to the bribri indigenous nation, and we commemorate Pa Bru day, an ancient leader who stopped Spanish incursions to our land in 1710. So I wish, from the deepest of my soul and for my ancestor that you, US fellows, rebel!

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It sucks that the USA is associated with the bald eagle because IMO it's still a beautiful bird and it did nothing to deserve the association. And also for me, the fact that they sound like seagulls makes them even more relatable because it has an annoying voice just like me 😆

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 2 points 8 hours ago

Ikr, they sound so funny and not at all like the majestic yet hyper masculine beasts they are usually portrayed as.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 27 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

My guess is that their revolt will be similar as the recent Chinese and Russian ones.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Palerider@feddit.uk 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

There's a revolt in China and Russia?

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 4 points 8 hours ago

I think I finally got it 🤣

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 points 10 hours ago

Same. I think the revolt is a second peaceful protest and then bending over for centuries.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

I'll believe it when I see it. The Americans seem perfectly content with how things are.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (10 children)

We need to grow our numbers! The only way we can do that is with continued non-violent organized protest. Violence will only reduce our numbers and suppress our resistance.

Erica Chenoweth has a very well researched presentation on the success of non-violent resistance overthrowing dictatorships with only 3.5% of the population. I highly recommend it.

Come out today for the Free America protest! We also have the Good Trouble Lives On protest on July 17th.

Sign up for notifications from 50501 to stay informed.

[–] ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 hours ago

They're finally doing one on a weekday? Excellent. I like the concept of these protests but they seem so trivial when they involve people pretty much just hanging out with signs in front of empty government buildings. Having it on a weekday means disrupting business and work schedules. Don't let them ignore you.

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[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Lisa murkowski can catch these hands.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

First past the post voting system isn't democratic and can easily be corrupted by Gerrymandering.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I mean yeah, I vibe with this, but did you mean to reply to something else? 😄

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No, I meant that revolting against a government without an election system change is replacing one almost dictatorship with another.

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