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Thanks to the "you need to buy a new PC for running W11" bullshit, scammers are selling ewaste at full price to inexperienced people (feddit.it)

submitted 14 hours ago by Moonrise2473@feddit.it to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

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And from the glowing reviews it's clear that

W11 doesn't actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial
For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won't even notice that's something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD
Amazon doesn't care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

Those aren't eWaste. Those are Mint machines.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I keep repeating this, my i5 750 (2009 pc), oc at 3.6ghz can do any fucking thing most people do with their computer. With a 1060 gpu, It plays like 90% of the games , I've made pro audio and video projects on it, even a small vr game.

[–] Pendorilan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I dont think that GPU could handle any game in the past 5-10 years though. So 90% of games doesn't seem right.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 minutes ago

I don't play online games, but otherwise I have a library of 200+ games and they all work fine so far. At 1080p, sometimes I put it at 720p to get higher fps.

Lately, I've been playing It takes 2, Little Nightmare 2, Fallout 4, Hades, Sable, Doom 2016 among others, no issues.

[–] DireTech@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 hour ago

1060 is probably more powerful than the steam deck and that things run almost everything. You don’t have to play at 4k/ultra.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago

I used to have that CPU, but found it absolutely dying on it's arse for VR Chat (which is notoriously badly optimised). I got a i5-8400 instead, which is about twice as fast for single threaded work (which is still the main bottleneck for most games). Your overclock would take it a decent amount of the way there, but most people aren't going to do that, and it was getting a bit iffy even when I replaced it. Runs hot as well, I expect.

Since then they've got about twice as fast again. You don't have to spend a lot on them to get that either. A Ryzen 9600X will have me set for the next 15 years (assuming they don't ditch x86 CPUs altogether). AMD being competitive again has down wonders for performance boosts. Motherboards seem a lot more expensive these days though.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Serious question, why haven't you upgraded to an i7 yet? They'd have to be super cheap at this point, right?

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, it's not my work PC anymore, but this one has been my main entertainment system for years now. I really don't need to upgrade and create e-waste to gain a little bit of performance. I haven't even installed Linux on it yet, still on win 10, but that will make it even faster. It's my firm belief that like 80% of the people would be fine with 15+ years old computers.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

My newest computer is 5 years old. I see no reason to upgrade anything.

I use my 11 year old laptop with Linux mint on it as well. I maxed out the RAM on it and swapped in a Sata SSD, it boots in under 40 seconds and does everything I need it to do. It's one of those cheap underpowered Celeron processors as well.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Id still be using my clamshell iBook if it worked and supported a modern-ish browser.

My eeePC only got sidelined because 4gb of ram is now too little for kubuntu releases. (I was going to install Debian, but after 30 min on it's SLOW SSD it failed and I haven't tried again) And I had issues with the screen resolution being too low for the smallest settings window before.

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

... a ten years old PC is...

... that's something from 2015, ...

Oh my! 2015 was 10 years ago?

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Aa of July 1st we're closer to 2050 than 2000

Edit: 2020 -> 2000, derp

[–] lambipapp@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Hahah. I think you should double check your sources. As far as I know 5 years is less than 25

[–] zeca@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 hour ago

As a mathematician i can sure you that 5, as you have assumed, is indeed less than 25.

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago

To be fair, the year 2020 was a very long couple of decades.

[–] ScienceGuy722@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

!woooosh

[–] DeadPixel@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 hours ago

You sure about that? Maybe you meant 2000 not 2020? Regardless, not sure how to feel about that…

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

This is so wrong

Windows 11 requires 8th gen Intel or newer. You can bypass it but you lose official support and more importantly things will break down the line.
Those listing are not what I would call "full price"
You can buy a old 8th gen Intel system off of eBay for less than 100€

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 3 points 2 hours ago

Oh nooooo, however will I do the needful without Microsoft's world famous blue ribbon customer support.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I thought they recently changed windows 11 to require an 11th gen or higher

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

No, that was misinformation

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, those are basically Mini PC prices. The CPU alone used to cost more than that.

The specs look perfectly adequate (I'm still running very similar for daily use), and 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM should keep you going no matter how many tabs you open or how bloated your PC gets.

Personally I'd get a new Ryzen Mini PC for that kind of money just for the form factor, but they're hardly a scam. The main issue is that the crowd this is aimed at have very little use for a PC these days.

[–] ScienceGuy722@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Happy cake day!

[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 30 points 6 hours ago

It's Amazon. Of course it's a scam. I always tell elderly people it's a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.

[–] rocky1138@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 hours ago

Stop purchasing from Amazon

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If you think that 210€ is full price for a pc then you require some research assistance.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago

I just got an N150 Mini PC for about that. Should be decent as a Jellyfin server.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 36 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.

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[–] abfarid@startrek.website 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (11 children)

Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown of what it should cost?

My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don't consider it e-waste.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They don't support Windows 11

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Not officially, but I have, in the past, installed W11 on a computer from 2010. And it worked fine, all things considered.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago

That is generally a bad idea as it can mean broken updates

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

microsoft is building newer versions of the kernel to rely on cpu instructions that are not present in old CPUs. you can't "hack" around that. At some point, the kernel will ask the CPU to do something it doesnt understand.

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 1 points 2 hours ago

Ok, I think I now understand the point of this thread. The implication is that some people might assume that these are brand new machines that will have software support for years to come. Even though, that's confusing to me, as no new machine with those specs costs only 200 Euros. Like, that CPU alone, if used, cost 40-60 Euros. But IMO it's still a stretch to call this a scam, as they are selling what they are selling. Can these machines run W11 right now? Yes. If the buyer expects something else for that price, it's on them. The target audience could still be tech-savvy ppl who just need an older machine for simple stuff and W11 is pre-installed there just for convenience.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 7 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

I call it ewaste because it is coming from that. Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy

Those computers go to ewaste centers, then some not honest sellers take the components (that usually were left on 24/7 because in offices nobody bothers to turn off computers) and put them in brand new cases

That's why is a scam, selling old stuff that came from an ewaste center as brand new

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So keeping it from being actual ewaste it's now going to be used by someone... That seems like a good thing.

The only downside I see is that it isn't disclosed

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

My gripe with that is that the seller is scamming inexperienced people, they think that they are buying a brand new PC while instead it's not

(The fact that a 400 euro PC includes 600 euro of software licenses should ring a bell about the legitimacy to the buyer, though)

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

How are they scamming? They list the specs right there again the only issue is that they are used parts potentially, but I'm not sure how you know these examples are specifically sourced as you claim.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 3 points 3 hours ago

Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy

3-5 years is a pretty standard depreciation schedule for IT equipment like computers, peripheral accessories etc.

Computers and laptops (using Straight-line method): 31.67% with a useful life of 3 years.

Computers and laptops (using Written Down Value method): 63.16% with a useful life of 3 years

It really has nothing to do with leasing vs. buying.

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

But "e-waste" means something so outadet that it's useless. Or unrepairable. Those computers are perfectly fine for 80% of users.

And are they explicitly saying that these are new? While you know for sure it's heavily used equipment?

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"NUOVO" in Capital letters means NEW

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

But are you certain they aren't new and this is a scam? I'm interested to know how you determined those are used.

Btw, where does it say "Nuovo"? I can't find it. Is it not on the screenshot?

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