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And from the glowing reviews it's clear that

  1. W11 doesn't actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial

  2. For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won't even notice that's something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD

  3. Amazon doesn't care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)

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[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 9 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I call it ewaste because it is coming from that. Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy

Those computers go to ewaste centers, then some not honest sellers take the components (that usually were left on 24/7 because in offices nobody bothers to turn off computers) and put them in brand new cases

That's why is a scam, selling old stuff that came from an ewaste center as brand new

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

So keeping it from being actual ewaste it's now going to be used by someone... That seems like a good thing.

The only downside I see is that it isn't disclosed

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

My gripe with that is that the seller is scamming inexperienced people, they think that they are buying a brand new PC while instead it's not

(The fact that a 400 euro PC includes 600 euro of software licenses should ring a bell about the legitimacy to the buyer, though)

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

How are they scamming? They list the specs right there again the only issue is that they are used parts potentially, but I'm not sure how you know these examples are specifically sourced as you claim.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 1 hour ago

It is unrealistic that parts with that age are brand new, available in that quantity. It might happens that some distributor misplaces some box and a couple computers are old new stock after a decade, but hundreds?

Also: W11 pro OEM is 120 euro and office 365 perpetual doesn't even exist, and if they meant office 2024 home and business is 299 euro. 120+299 exceed the listing price

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy

3-5 years is a pretty standard depreciation schedule for IT equipment like computers, peripheral accessories etc.

Computers and laptops (using Straight-line method): 31.67% with a useful life of 3 years.

Computers and laptops (using Written Down Value method): 63.16% with a useful life of 3 years

It really has nothing to do with leasing vs. buying.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 4 hours ago

Yes ok from an accounting point of view.

But from a functional point of view?

I see how my bank teller works: they connect to a terminal server

I see how my other bank works: a VM that runs AS/400 that is acting as a terminal to their mainframe

Why they're changing computers so often? The first one can use any PC released in the past 15 years and the second one can use any released in the past 30 years

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

But "e-waste" means something so outadet that it's useless. Or unrepairable. Those computers are perfectly fine for 80% of users.

And are they explicitly saying that these are new? While you know for sure it's heavily used equipment?

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

"NUOVO" in Capital letters means NEW

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

But are you certain they aren't new and this is a scam? I'm interested to know how you determined those are used.

Btw, where does it say "Nuovo"? I can't find it. Is it not on the screenshot?

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 4 hours ago

First row of the 400 euro one