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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 hours ago

😂😂😂 Can't pay a fee if you don't go! 🤡🤡🤡

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Well, he's certainly not going for a culture victory but I think we knew that already.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Ditched a science victory as well. What's left? Religious? Maybe but unlikely. Domination? Even the US can't do that. Diplomatic? Not a fucking chance. So...points I guess?

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

he is going for the, loot the entire house, option. Already took the gold from fort knox.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

Ditched a science victory as well. What's left? Religious? Maybe but unlikely. Domination? Even the US can't do that. Diplomatic? Not a fucking chance. So...points I guess?

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 hours ago

Would need to have tourist in the first place

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 28 points 8 hours ago

cant pay if they arnt visiting in the first place.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 53 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (16 children)

There wasn't any danger of me coming to spend my money in that third world shithole anyway.

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[–] Grimtuck@lemmy.world 30 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure having to have your ID checked when visiting your own national parks won't have anything to do with ICE. This will impact Americans more than it will by costing a few extra dollars for international visitors.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is just stupid. Many countries that rely on tourism do this, they have free or near free entry for citizens and ~$20-100 entry for foreigners. This helps them generate a significant portion of their annual budget.

I haven't verified these numbers, but quick searching days that roughly 14–15 million foreign tourists visit U.S. national parks each year, accounting for about 4% of total park visits. If we charge $20 per person for international visitors, that's $280–300 million annually... that's... Peanuts for the US.

I wouldn't be opposed to it at all if the fees are only used to preserve and maintain the national parks, but you know this fucker just wants to funnel the money into deep pockets.

[–] ILikeTraaaains@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Which countries charges $20-100 for visiting an equivalent of a national park or museum? Not questioning you, but curious.

There are places that charges a tourist tax that is for everyone not living there and paid through the hotel or tourist apartment.

[–] florp@lemmy.zip 1 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago)

I've seen this a number of places when traveling (Morocco, Thailand, Vietnam, Kenya come to mind). The price for foreigners was still quite reasonable (nowhere near $100) and it's never really bothered me. Not sure if it is an equity of access measure (local income is lower) or that they already support it via taxes etcetera. Either I think is appropriate.

This also already happens in the US some places. There are resident and non-resident prices for some museums in NYC, or town/county run parks(think beaches). In Hawaii many attractions have kamaʻāina prices listed (aka resident).

The above examples usually operated on the honor system. Sometimes I saw "with ID" on a sign but never saw them checked.

I think it would be reasonable to charge slightly elevated rates to non-residents for national parks, but it should not be punitive, and it should 100% go towards supporting the parks. It's really dumb to be pushing that now though as if people don't already have a thousand reasons not to visit the US and spend their money here...

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

Nepal and India both had places where foreigners would pay much more than locals. Fine with me, i earn much more too.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I had this happen in India, although I don’t know if it was the particular site or if it was a general policy. I saw it as paying less than I would have paid for a comparable museum at home, while citizens are encouraged to connect with their heritage. I was fine with it.

But the US is an expensive place, so you’re only making it unobtainable. National parks should not be a profit center, and I barely agree with charging anyone. I especially disagree with requiring ID, making this logically unenforceable.

And of course I’d expect this to turn into racism really quickly.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm not sure how many other countries have the equivalent of US National Parks. They're pretty exceptional, which is why it's a fucking travesty that they were/are trying to sell off the land.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 135 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

What foreign tourists? Nobody is gonna visit out of fear of being trafficked to some random country's prison.

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Don't call it "being trafficked", call it "surprise random country visit".

[–] madlian@lemmy.cafe 3 points 9 hours ago

Random Gator visit. We don’t deport, we want the workers. That’s the plan. Slaves.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 8 hours ago

or the alligator alcatraz in the everglades.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Could just be a way to make it so that if you do anything anywhere you'll have to ID knowing full well there's no foreigners visiting

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago

Amazing that a hotel owner hates tourism that much.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 64 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

He's making it easier and easier for me to not visit the shithole.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago

Yo I live in this shithole give me a few years and we’ll hopefully see you then.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 hours ago

Am in the shithole, let me know if you need people to defend you against it.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 40 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

It's actually getting kind of hard to think of new, stupider ways to ruin the economy and raise the cost of living. Parody is getting close to being indistinguishable from reality.

  • Blanket tariffs for goods with low domestic production? Done.
  • Imprisoning laborers who do domestic farming? Yes.
  • Deporting legal, tax-paying noncitizens? Yep.
  • Pissing off citizens of countries that contribute significantly to local tourism? Indeed.
  • Asking potential tourists to pay extra for the privilege of visiting a to-be-sold-for-industrial-logging park? Why not.
  • Cutting healthcare and replacing it with a bonus for the 0.001%? Might as well!
[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 14 points 9 hours ago
  • Scare away all the best and brightest of the entire world that you brought to your country to give the competitive edge in science, engineering and tech.

  • Make the business climate so uncertain that nobody wants to invest anything in research or build new facilities, except in moving their facilities out of the country

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I’m just waiting for the economy to catch up and trigger the next Great Depression

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago

It may be the Greatest Depression. People are saying they have never seen a bigger Depression.

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"To fund improvements and enhanced experiences across the park system, I've just signed an executive order to raise entrance fees for foreign tourists while keeping prices low for Americans. The national parks will be about America first."

Oh thank god! After slashing over $1 billion from the nps budget and firing over 5,000 of its workers I was beginning to think this guy maybe didn't care about the national parks. What a relief!

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 12 hours ago

He literally has no concept of making this nation one where others are envious of it. Instead it's just grift, grift, grift.

[–] sasquash@sopuli.xyz 37 points 13 hours ago

dumbfuck, we are in canada. where parks are free this summer.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 27 points 13 hours ago

Trump, I don't need MORE reasons to not cross the border. We are already not going there....

[–] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 13 hours ago

So, you see, the kidnapping and human trafficking is part of the luxury package, so obviously that comes with additional fees, etc..

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 12 hours ago

Newsflash: tourists avoid fascist countries.

[–] ElJefe@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 hours ago

Fuck the U. S. A. Hey ICE: fuck you! Suck my cock. You dirty cocksuckers.

I don't see how this is meant to ensure the law is fairly governed, nor where the constitution or legislature told the president that they could change pricing for parks. It isn't pertaining to war, and it's a pretty damn hard to see how this pertains to international affairs.

Everyone in the government has to know this executive order shouldn't exist. Wish the Supreme Court had the integrity to just vet every executive order and suspend all of them that could be overreach upon being placed until they are reviewed.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, a whole $90 million. That will certainly offset all these tax cuts!

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You just aren't thinking big picture. This will need time to play out. $90 million over 50,000 years and those tax cuts are gone! Be patient.

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