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[–] HedyL@awful.systems 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Similar criticisms have probably been leveled at many other technologies in the past, such as computers in general, typewriters, pocket calculators etc. It is true that the use of these tools and technologies has probably contributed to a decline in the skills required for activities such as memorization, handwriting or mental calculation. However, I believe there is an important difference to chatbots: While typewriters (or computers) usually produce very readable text (much better than most people's handwriting), pocket calculators perform calculations just fine and information from a reputable source retrieved online isn't any less correct than one that had been memorized (probably more so), the same couldn't be said about chatbots and LLMs. They aren't known to produce accurate or useful output in a reliable way - therefore many of the skills that are being lost by relying on them might not be replaced with something better.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 31 points 11 months ago

Posted this on a Discord I'm in - one of the near immediate responses was "I'm glad they made a non-invasive procedure to lobotomise people".

Nothing more to add, I just think that's hilarious

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 24 points 11 months ago

chatbots really are leaded gasoline for zoomers

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 18 points 11 months ago

From p. 137:

The most consistent and significant behavioral divergence between the groups was observed in the ability to quote one's own essay. LLM users significantly underperformed in this domain, with 83% of participants (15/18) reporting difficulty quoting in Session 1, and none providing correct quotes. This impairment persisted albeit attenuated in subsequent sessions, with 6 out of 18 participants still failing to quote correctly by Session 3. [...] Search Engine and Brain-only participants did not display such impairments. By Session 2, both groups achieved near-perfect quoting ability, and by Session 3, 100% of both groups' participants reported the ability to quote their essays, with only minor deviations in quoting accuracy.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 11 points 11 months ago

Anecdotally, it took like one and a half week from the c-suite okaying using copilot to people beginning to consider googling beneath them and to start elevating to me the literal dumbest shit just because copilot was having a hard time with it.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 8 points 11 months ago
[–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Some people casting their eyes over this monster of a paper have less than positive thoughts about it. I’m not going to try and summarise the summaries here, but the threads aren’t long (and are vastly shorter than the paper) so reading them wouldn’t take long.

Dr. Cat Hicks on mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@grimalkina/114690973548997443

Ashley Juavinett on bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/analog-ashley.bsky.social/post/3lru5sua3fk25

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

also why I was reserved in my wording (I am, at best, "armchair enthusiast" level of clued on detailed neuroscience)

it's so damn messy though. here's some concurrent (and/or semi-sequenced branching) thoughts/opinions:

  • there's enough people getting high on LLMs (et al) that it is morally and ethically worthwhile to investigate the implications thereof
  • it's extremely fucking hard to objectively quantify this
  • we should still try
  • it seems like there's a hell of a need for funding for the applicable research fields of human study ito figuring out the dynamics of this shit
  • ...wow wouldn't it be nice if they got even 3% of the openai grift budget
[–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It isn’t clear to me at this point that such research will ever be funded in english-speaking places without a significant set of regime changes… no politician or administrator can resist outsourcing their own thinking to llm vendors in exchange for funding. I expect the US educational system will eventually provide a terrible warning to everyone (except the UK, whose government looks at the US and says “oh my god, that’s horrifying. How can we be more like that?”).

I’m probably just feeling unreasonably pessimistic right now, though.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 11 months ago

believe me, I hear ya on that

[–] vane@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Stupid people are easier to control.