General strikes accomplish a fuck of a lot more in a shorter amount of time. When the owners of the administration can't get their poptarts to the stores to be sold, the bank calls their loans and shit gets real.
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Bolsheviks, Stonewall riots, suffragettes, all famously peaceful movements that got their rights by staying on their knees and asking nicely.
Those are successful, yes. But then you have Arbenz's Guatamala and the FARC in Columbia and the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka and democratic revolts in Hong Kong and Kashmir and the French Revolution and the Polish Resistance and the failures of socialist revolts across Africa and the Middle East.
I think part of the problem is how we define "successful". Because it's easy to see how the Spanish Anarchists failed to defeat Franco. Meanwhile, we largely consider the Civil Rights Era in the United States a success, despite many of its leaders being assassinated and its efforts quashed and undo under the Nixon/Reagan Era.
Militant insurgencies end when they are crushed by police/military. Peaceful protests don't "fail" nearly so dramatically, they just fade away.
Psst, just a friendly reminder: it's Colombia with two O's and no U :) just a little pet peeve of mine.
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Let me know what all the peaceful protests on climate change did leading up to and since the Paris Agreement.
Civil disobedience, including violent action, absolutely has a place in changing the policy of the state.
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There's a book on the subject written by Srdja Popovic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint_for_Revolution
Summary: protests that start (and try to remain) non-violent have a greater chance to succeed, because they can attract more people to their cause.
Critique: with some regimes, it's not possible to non-violently protest. For non-violent protest to work, the environment must respect a minimum amount of human rights.
Case samples:
- US during the civil rights movement era: yes
- USSR under Gorbachev: yes
- Serbia under Milosevic: yes, with difficulty on every step (Popovic was there doing it)
- Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
- China under Xi: practically no (not for long)
- USSR under Kruschev/Brezhnev/Andropov/Chernenko: not really
- Russia under Putin: no, don't even hold a blank sheet of paper
- Iran under Khamenei: only if you're doing a bread riot
- Saudi Arabia, USSR under Stalin, NK under the Kim dynasty: no, and execution would be a possible outcome
...etc. In some places, you can't organize. Then your only option is to fight. As long as you can publicly organize, definitely do so - it's vastly preferable. :)
Your point is so important that I don't think it can be stressed enough.
Nonviolent protests are more popular in public opinion. Public opinion gets you more people on your side. More people on your side is more power, and when the regime starts cracking down on peaceful protests, it will be easier to get more people to fight than it would be of we advocate for violence from the start.
Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
When Palestinians protest peacefully they get shot at.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests
When foreigners peacefully protest in solidarity they get shot or run over.
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241231447/rachel-corrie-gaza-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-war
Thanks for correcting. You're right, I should have written something else than "probably yes" about Israel under Netanyahu. :(
US during the civil rights movement era: yes
I gotta ask, how the hell was the US in the 1960s a safe place to nonviolently protest? Police violence aimed at colored protesters during that era was notorious. Plus the church bombings, the lynchings, the assassinations...
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Who wrote this article? Fairy tale bullshit??
BBC tier neoliberalism.
"Real victory is when you stop trying to resist" might as well be the Keir Starmer campaign slogan
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Phony liberal bullshit for controlling the masses.
edit: YSK this article is old and largely debunked.
Well that's total bs, in Greece there's been dozens of non-violent protests far exceeding 3.5% that have failed spectacularly.
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Didn't BLM 2020 protests have over 3.5%? I don't think they accomplished much except put pressure to prosecute Chauvin. Like literally just that one guy.
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Liberal three-percenter lore?
I mean, I do think non-violent disobedience can be effective, but the state usually makes it violent. State sanctioned protests where most obey most of the rules isn't disobedience. Is a good start though, and I hope things progress (in a good way).