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[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 61 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You forgot fighting against fascism

[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Kirk fought literal Nazis. Sheridan fought future Nazis. Why did you get downvoted for this comment?

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 1 month ago

Obviously for bringing politics into a discussion about my beloved politics show

[–] teft@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Probably Dukat's account downvoted.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 15 points 1 month ago

He's probably still salty he didn't get his statue on Bajor.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don’t forget Archer fighting literal Nazis

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think Archer and his crew were the only ones who fought literal Nazis. Everyone else was fighting some other organization that had just adopted some of their philosophies.

[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Well, I guess the Nazis Kirk fought weren't humans from Earth from the 20th century, but I recall they wore exactly the same uniforms and had the same symbology.

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[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago (5 children)

G'Kar was the wrong character to show for the prosthetics poke. The Narn prosthetics are actually shockingly good with a surprisingly high degree of articulation allowing for lots of emoting and facial expressions. Some of Delenn's head bone prosthetics, on the other hand, are just terrible.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Optic Nerve won a damn Emmy for their prosthetic work on B5, not sure what op's on about with that one...

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Pretty much every scene involving Londo and G'Kar is solid gold. Although every time Peter Jurasik appears on screen with his very odd accent for Londo, my mind goes like: "Oh, here's The (space) Count from Sesame Street again!"

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

When I think of Walter Koenig, I think of Bester, not Chekov.

To be blunt, whenever I watched Trek I never got the impression he was particularly good. But then when I saw him in B5, I thought "Damn he can act. Why didn't the Trek show runners take advantage of this?!"

[–] MintyAnt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Bester is also still a unique character, and Koenigs delivery is unique.

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[–] teft@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

It has been a while since my last rewatch.

It was the dawn of the third age of mankind – ten years after my last rewatch.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Came for the interspecies sex, stayed for the drug addicts.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't have a stim problem. They're legal. I have it under control.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

RIP Garibaldi

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

See, that was their problem. Their last best hope for peace was a truck stop? That is not where you get peace. That is where you get the opposite of peace. They could have only done worse if it were a space waffle house.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 month ago

To be fair, while "truck stop" is a fairly accurate term for DS9 and its location along a major trade route, the primary purpose of Babylon 5 was really just being a neutral location for political relations and whatnot. Though maybe there are important meetings that are conducted at Waffle House, idk

[–] teft@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

last best hope for peace was a truck stop

Picture I found of Babylon-5:

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tbf their first attempt resulted in the near extinction of humanity...

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ds9 was a truck stop, the babylon stations were UN convention centres with bazaars did you even watch the show

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[–] Apeman42@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

space waffle house

Stop everything else, this is the show I want. Let's see a strung out avian fist fighting a drunk grey across the counter, while a little green man twerks in the background.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 19 points 1 month ago (11 children)

You had me at "20th century understanding on how eye contact works in a video call".

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 month ago

That is something that has bugged me since I started watching sci-fi (yes, I am relatively new to the genre), and I don't think I have ever seen anybody talk about it.

[–] Sir_Gkar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One of the wonderful little details from B5 was the holographic recording Londo made for [REDACTED] where he's making his grand speech about how and why he's having him [REDACTED]. The recording is constantly looking in the wrong direction, pointing accusingly at the wall, moving through people, and just obviously not lining up with the room it's being played in because it's just a recording.

Then the gospel choir kicks in and the episode officially becomes my all time favorite.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 month ago

An account created three months ago, named after a Babylon 5 character, and your very first comment is under this post about Babylon 5. Checks out.

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[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (6 children)

You know what? You convinced me, I'll give it a try.

[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The first season is pretty bad, but necessary to set up the various arcs.

Season 4 crammed the final two major plot arcs into it because they thought they were getting cancelled. But then they didn’t. Season 5 is almost entirely filler.

In fact, once you finish Season 4, I’d recommend jumping right to the series finale (last episode of S5) and watching that. Then watch Season 5 from the beginning and think of it as a spin-off show that didn’t go anywhere.

This was how I went through my last rewatch of the series a few years ago and it was perfect.

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[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know the episode of DS9 where Sisko and Garrick commit war crimes?

It's like that episode, the show.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Only scifi show I can think of to present peace negotiations with the same degree of dramatic tension as they give to the rest of the war.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 9 points 1 month ago

It took me a while, so I'll tell you it starts to pick up steam halfway through first season and hooks you before the first season finale.

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[–] MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

goofy hairstyles

Look how they massacred my boy Londo.

First real character I remember in sci-fi. He's a highfalutin blowhard from a noble house, who's fucking broke and has to lose two of his wives.

Then he picks the one that treats him the worst because she lies the least.

Then he goes on to sell his soul to make his planet great again which of course if goes all monkey paw on him.

The dude is a walking pile of contradictions. There's nobody like him in star trek sadly.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 1 month ago

The way he gained a soul the hard way just to trade it, fucking amazing journey

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[–] Hatshepsut@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

S4 is a really interesting watch given the current political climate in the US. I just embarked on a re-watch this month. Agree G’kar and Londo scenes were great. My favorite duo in the show.

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[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 month ago
[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Familiar Faces

G'Kar and Tomalak

General Gauge and Admiral Layton/V'Las

Captain Braxton and Major Ryan

[–] teft@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't forget Brad Dourif as a creepy murderer and Brad Dourif as a creepy murderer

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Brad Dourif as a creepy murderer

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I did not grab the character names when I had made this chart, but here is a list of Babylon 5 actors who appeared in Star Trek. Data sourced from IMDb

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Actor Star Trek 1 Star Trek 2 Star Trek 3 Star Trek 4 Star Trek 5
Majel Barrett Star Trek Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Eric Pierpoint Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
John Fleck Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Thomas Kopache Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Vaughn Armstrong Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
John Vickery Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation
Michael Ansara Star Trek Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Voyager
Phil Morris Star Trek Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Voyager
Christopher Darga Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
Jeffrey Combs Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
John Schuck Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
Aric Rogokos Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Picard Star Trek: Voyager
Patricia Tallman Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Ron Canada Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Glenn Morshower Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Bruce Gray Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise
Erick Avari Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise
Robert Foxworth Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Enterprise
Walter Koenig Star Trek Star Trek: Picard
Malachi Throne Star Trek Star Trek: The Next Generation
Julie Caitlin Brown Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: The Next Generation
Katherine Moffat Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: The Next Generation
Roy Brocksmith Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: The Next Generation
Tricia O'Neil Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: The Next Generation
Andreas Katsulas Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation
Brian Cousins Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation
Mark Rolston Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: The Next Generation
Gerrit Graham Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Voyager
J. Patrick McCormack Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Voyager
Jeff Austin Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Voyager
Leigh McCloskey Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Voyager
Marshall R. Teague Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Voyager
Patrick Kilpatrick Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Star Trek: Voyager
Bill Blair Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
Christopher Neame Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
James Parks Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
Keith Szarabajka Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
Louis Ortiz Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
Nathan Anderson Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
Tucker Smallwood Star Trek: Enterprise Star Trek: Voyager
Carel Struycken Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Carolyn Seymour Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Dwight Schultz Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Henry Darrow Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Josh Clark Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Judson Scott Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
William Morgan Sheppard Star Trek: The Next Generation Star Trek: Voyager
Jeff Corey Star Trek
Victor Lundin Star Trek
Adrienne Barbeau Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Art Chudabala Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Bennet Guillory Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Bernie Casey Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Bill Mumy Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Blair Valk Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Christopher Michael Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Clayton Landey Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Harry Hutchinson Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Jack Kehler Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
James Black Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Julia Nickson Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Juliana Donald Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Kitty Swink Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Mary Kay Adams Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Mike Genovese Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Rosie Malek-Yonan Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Stephen Macht Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Tony Rizzoli Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Tracy Scoggins Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
William Dennis Hunt Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Donovan Brown Star Trek: Discovery
Brian Freifield Star Trek: Enterprise
David A. Kimball Star Trek: Enterprise
Diane DiLascio Star Trek: Enterprise
Geoff Meed Star Trek: Enterprise
Guy Siner Star Trek: Enterprise
Jane Carr Star Trek: Enterprise
Kate McNeil Star Trek: Enterprise
Kris Iyer Star Trek: Enterprise
Mark Ginther Star Trek: Enterprise
Robert Rusler Star Trek: Enterprise
Steven Lambert Star Trek: Enterprise
Vince Deadrick Jr. Star Trek: Enterprise
Warren Tabata Star Trek: Enterprise
Merrin Dungey Star Trek: Picard
Tamlyn Tomita Star Trek: Picard
Beth Toussaint Star Trek: The Next Generation
Clive Revill Star Trek: The Next Generation
David L. Crowley Star Trek: The Next Generation
David Sage Star Trek: The Next Generation
David Warner Star Trek: The Next Generation
Jim Norton Star Trek: The Next Generation
John Christian Graas Star Trek: The Next Generation
John Snyder Star Trek: The Next Generation
Katy Boyer Star Trek: The Next Generation
Ken Jenkins Star Trek: The Next Generation
Lenore Kasdorf Star Trek: The Next Generation
Marie Marshall Star Trek: The Next Generation
Mark Bramhall Star Trek: The Next Generation
Michelan Sisti Star Trek: The Next Generation
Paul Winfield Star Trek: The Next Generation
Reiner Schöne Star Trek: The Next Generation
Robin Curtis Star Trek: The Next Generation
Stephen Lee Star Trek: The Next Generation
Theodore Bikel Star Trek: The Next Generation
Andray Johnson Star Trek: Voyager
Anthony Crivello Star Trek: Voyager
Anthony De Longis Star Trek: Voyager
Beverly Leech Star Trek: Voyager
Bill Miller Star Trek: Voyager
Brad Dourif Star Trek: Voyager
Bruce McGill Star Trek: Voyager
Christopher Curry Star Trek: Voyager
Daunette Saunders Star Trek: Voyager
David Anthony Marshall Star Trek: Voyager
Don McMillan Star Trek: Voyager
Ed Trotta Star Trek: Voyager
Eric Steinberg Star Trek: Voyager
Grace Harrell Star Trek: Voyager
Greg Poland Star Trek: Voyager
Ian Abercrombie Star Trek: Voyager
Jean-Luc Martin Star Trek: Voyager
Jim Portnoy Star Trek: Voyager
Joey Sakata Star Trek: Voyager
Joyce Lasley Star Trek: Voyager
Justin Williams Star Trek: Voyager
Kerry Hoyt Star Trek: Voyager
Lou Slaughter Star Trek: Voyager
Marie Chambers Star Trek: Voyager
Marjorie Monaghan Star Trek: Voyager
Marva Hicks Star Trek: Voyager
Mel Winkler Star Trek: Voyager
Michael Bailey Smith Star Trek: Voyager
Michael Kagan Star Trek: Voyager
Michael N. Fujimoto Star Trek: Voyager
Mirron E. Willis Star Trek: Voyager
Musetta Vander Star Trek: Voyager
Pablo Espinosa Star Trek: Voyager
Paul Williams Star Trek: Voyager
Peter Wick Star Trek: Voyager
Richard Chaves Star Trek: Voyager
Robin Sachs Star Trek: Voyager
Russ Fega Star Trek: Voyager
Sam Alejan Star Trek: Voyager
Simon Billig Star Trek: Voyager
Susie Stillwell Star Trek: Voyager
Tami Peterson Star Trek: Voyager
[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That listing was just off the top of my head. Though the funnier connection is Hague (Robert Foxworth) "died" in B5 because his agent double booked him on DS9 as Layton so they brought in Ryan (Bruce McGill). There is even a funny outtake where McGill references it. Even funnier is the producers intended to get Everett McGill but got names mixed up and got Bruce instead

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[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I have always wanted to like b5, I have tried to watch it multiple times over the years. I get 3 or 4 episodes into it and lose interest. Maybe it is time to try it out again

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 month ago

It definitely blends action, drama, politics, and philosophy like Stat Trek does, but leans far more into drama/politics. I can understand why one might lose interest early on.

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